"trade with caution" alert- tbjj4life

While that is definitely looked down upon for backing out after exchanging addresses, I can see why he decided to back out. You were getting the much better deal here, especially for an incredibly over-the-hill stout.

 

That's irrelevant, if they exchanged addresses and he backed out then that's on him no matter what you or anyone else thinks of the trade. You acknowledge it's bad form to back out but then support him.

 

Crappy to read this. I did an Ip with him and he was a solid dude.

 

I don't see this ending well.

This is a grey area. Sure, the dude is an asshole & wasted your time & kept you from making another trade you could have made & I wouldn't want to deal with him either.

But I've dealt with some real idiots over potential trades too. Where's the line? If someone is a complete motard while you're trying to set up a deal, do you call them out? What if you agree on a trade & he/she suddenly demands more before you've exchanged addresses...call them out? Or if they're just plain old unreasonable - trash 'em in the forum? If you've been trading a while, you probably have your own "shit-list" of morons you never want to talk to again. I know I do.

I guess my point is that this is a judgment call. I'm sure the guy getting called out doesn't think he did anything wrong.

From reading black13's posts over the years he seems like a good guy, so OP, I'm not bashing you at all.

I'm just going to make the call right now. The defendant will be in here when he sees the thread & this thing will deteriorate fast, & the thread will end up deleted. Which makes me wonder why I'm typing this at all.

Good luck. Off to have some Belgian waffles.

 

tbjj4life did the same thing to me, while claiming he was trying to put all of the BCBS varients together. I dont know the guy, and by defination he is not a 'bad trader', just a waste of time. He is one of the people on my personal do not trade list. At least you are not out any beer.

 

You are correct but the loss of Oldport and the bad trader list has everyone a bit more on edge and I personally would rather have more information than less going forward and decide for myself. In this example, I dont know this trader at all but I did put him on ignore going forward. Right or wrong this was my decision as I would not want to deal with this in the future. It is seen often that people go from a once good trader to a bad one and my guess is that this is not a 180 degree instant turn but a downward progression that may begin with flaking out on agreed trades. I have no proof of this obviously but just a hunch. Therefore, I would not want to "risk it" and have someone go from a flake to a bad trader and ultimately lose beer. To reiterate I am not calling the above a bad trader.

 

I just think this a slippery slope, whereas before thus type of behavior was mentioned (sans ba name) and resolved. Now you are essentially saying you want those who flake to be outed by name. Whats next, not returning a bm within 12 hours gets your name mentioned and 'trader beware'?

 

Agree completely and dont know what the right answer is. Let me ask you this: lets say you post an iso next week and two people respond one is the person above and one is some random ba with equal trading experience who are you choosing?

 

We both know the answer. But I think all can agree that the OP was 100% wrong in outing this dude before doing some due diligence first. After that, yea out him and we all benefit.

 

Fair enough. My only point was that this thread would adjust your behavior going forward and thus cant be 100% bad/wrong. But again I dont know what the right answer is but think traders panties are a bit more in a bunch with the loss of Oldport and the list.

 

Honestly it would depend on what the bm looked like. I've had people flake out and back out of a trade and ive backed out of trades as well. Its not a description of the trader so much as how busy they are and how much they have in funds to devote to trading atm. My pov, if you didn't ship (or I guess give up your beer to an ip already without him giving you his side) then backing out is annoying but fair game. This kind of "not a bad trader but don't trade with this guy" thread is unnecessary. Put a don't trade with section in your profile and move on.

 

Agree but from the original post this didnt seem to be a "busy" or "funds" issue. I personally would not have posted this and done what you suggest and just add him to my don't trade list and privately bm my friends on this site for a heads up. But it would be disingenuous of me to call out the original OP as being 100% wrong and at the same time use his information to adjust my behavior going forward. I am sure everyone is sick of my point of view and I will now go away.

cheers

 

I traded with him and talk to him pretty regularly through text since then.

He operates different than any other person I have traded with but all went well in the end. No issues with my trade.

This was a Cable Car for Mexican cakes trade.

He shipped first. Took a bit but I got my stuff and sent him mine.

If you want to trade with "caution" that is fine but I don't think this guy is looking to rip anyone off.

 

That's the wrong attitude & the wrong conclusion. You've now attempted to trash the reputation of a member of the trading community, & that's exactly what you intended. Because he "wasted your time." You lost nothing.

There are tons of people trading who do things that I don't like. If you're going to put your own arbitrary line out there, what's to stop everyone from doing the same? Stealing is a nice, bright line that everyone can agree is unacceptable & fully deserves to be outed. Anything less is a grey area & subject to debate. If your next trade doesn't like your attitude, do you deserve to get a big headline with your name on it & a derogatory thread? I think not.

And I bet you'd agree if you were on the other side of someone else's arbitrary line, huh? That's inching towards hypocrisy.

This is the kind of crap that cries out for someone to moderate.

 

The road to BA hell is paved with good intentions. You could have done more, such as spoken to his references or previous trading partners to reach out to him. If he didnt want to do the trade, oh well. What do you think makes it ok for you to out him when you suffered no damages?

 

Sounds to me like sour grapes. He was winning that trade bigtime.