Trademark conflict blues

Discussion in 'Southwest' started by TexasBigBeer, Aug 10, 2013.

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You think I can get away with it, without getting sued?

  1. Your in the clear go for it!

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  2. Don't do it you will get sued!

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  1. TexasBigBeer

    TexasBigBeer Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Texas

    5 weeks before we hit the market (over a year ago) I found out there was a trademark conflict with the name of our first beer. I was going to call it "BIG ASS BLONDE" but "BIG ASS" was trademarked in reference to alcoholic beverages. I am still shocked they would let somebody trademark a phrase as common as that! Any way I still would like to use the original label because the one I threw together in 45 minutes to get it approved quickly sucked! Here is the label I am hoping to use and I think it should be ok, because my beer is not called Big Ass Blonde, it says Big Texas Blonde, which is the name I came up with at the last minute.

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  2. UT-Alex

    UT-Alex Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2012 Texas

    I WOULD recommend talking to a trademark lawyer but that's probably going to cost you the same as a graphic designer, and we know how you feel about those guys. :slight_smile:

    Is it worth the risk to you? As little as the "Texas" is that covers "ass", I don't think the top phrase is necessary and it's taunting whoever brought up copyright infringement in the first place. It's a bold and risky move that I could see getting called out again.

    As a reference, when this happened to Jester King and Lagunitas, they took a way more subtle approach. Doing that is the safe route, but if you want to experiment and see how far you can get away with this, I say go for it. Though I'd personally like to see you experiment with a professional graphic designer instead.
     
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  3. Lutter

    Lutter Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2010 Texas

    The word "ASS" is still too visible/recognizable. I think if you made the "TEXAS" bigger, you'd be fine. Consider the folks who have done this before and been approved in TX as an example...

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    Notice just the top of the letters peek out.

    Why not just CALL it Big Texas Blonde? :slight_smile:

    I'd still recommend talking to a lawyer specializing in trademark law though if you want to go forward. No matter how much that costs, complying or fighting a C&D is going to cost a heckuva lot more.
     
  4. cam_williams

    cam_williams Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2012 Texas

    Not worth the risk IMO.
     
  5. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    Ass is still to visible, and you mention that you are covering Ass, so I think you're asking for trouble.
     
  6. aschwab

    aschwab Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2009 Texas

    Is the name that important to you? I get the stupidity of that trademark but it "may" end up costing you in the end. I'm a stubborn person so I get the want to use it like that just because, but either increase the size of TX or just give it up to avoid the trouble. It's just a name as of now.
     
  7. UHCougar12

    UHCougar12 Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2011 Texas

    I don't know anything about label laws, but I'd just throw a bikini bottom over the "Ass" and have a partial of "A" and a partial of the "S" on the end, and put Texas on it. That be cool looking. Ps is this stall available in Houston anywhere?
     
  8. paulys55

    paulys55 Initiate (0) Aug 2, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Fixed that for you:wink:
     
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  9. PhatAtUT

    PhatAtUT Savant (1,160) Jul 31, 2009 Texas

    change the name and label. looks trashy anyway.
     
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  10. TexasBigBeer

    TexasBigBeer Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Texas

    @PhatAtUT, the name was changed to Big Texas Blonde and it has been on the market over a year.

    But, the old label get rave reviews 99% of the time and the new one gets trashed 100% of the time. That's just the way it is I guess :confused:
     
  11. ExperimentalAles

    ExperimentalAles Devotee (357) May 24, 2012 Texas

    Idk if this helps, but my sister is a Trademark attorney who specializes in craft beer law. Here is her blog where you can find her contact info: Www.crafingbeerlaw.com
     
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  12. mattisloco

    mattisloco Maven (1,306) Feb 13, 2007 Texas
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  13. StArnoldFan

    StArnoldFan Pooh-Bah (1,879) Dec 28, 2012 Texas
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    First I want to clarify that I do not know legal law and these are just my opinions. I would get rid of the top line that says "covering our ass so we don't get sued". It just seems childish and if anything on your label, id see that being the issue since you are clearly saying "ass" is what is being covered below. As far as the "Texas" covering "ass", I'd think that you would be ok with that without the line above since it could be anything under the "Texas" although everyone knows its ass. It could be ACC would be my argument (cause it kinda looks like it could be), even though it doesn't even make sense. Last but not least, when I think of a Blonde, I think of a sessionable light beer that comes in a 6-pack, not a bomber of 10.5% strong ale. Good luck with your battle and final decisions.
     
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  14. Chuk_Hell

    Chuk_Hell Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2012 Texas

    I would do a whole new label.It does look trashy. Now, I'm pretty trashy myself and don't mind stuff like that but Austin is the "land of hairy-legged women and liberal fruitcakes" and eventually you're going to get called out for the label being "sexist" - though I don't know how Deep Ellum gets away with "Goes down easy" on their blond cans...- anyway, just my 2cents. If it was me I wouldn't risk alienating roughly 45% of your potential customers.
     
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  15. TexasBigBeer

    TexasBigBeer Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Texas

    Here is the label we just got in from the printer and will be on the next batch.
    It is a SLIGHT improvement over the original label.

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  16. kmello69

    kmello69 Initiate (0) Nov 27, 2011 Texas

    Since you're sort of asking for feedback, I'll give it - that new label is terrible. Why is the name of the brewery so big, and the name of the beer almost unreadable? Its also weird to have "ale" on a separate line from the rest of the name, and in a different color.

    Maybe too late to change it now, but something to think about going forward. For me, right or wrong, when I see a new beer on the shelves, first impressions go a long way, and I judge by the label before I even pick it up. I'm probably missing out on some good stuff that way, but I think you REALLY need unique labels that stand out to get noticed on ever-fuller shelves.

    Good luck!!
     
  17. TexasBigBeer

    TexasBigBeer Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Texas

    According to the TTB Ale can not be a part of the Name, but it must be on the label. I hate the original label, but it is branded now and its sales are doubling all our other brands. It has been on the market almost a year and a half and too many people recognize it and look for the HUGE words "BIG BEER" (Branding)
    It is ugly, but it is what it is.... just saying.
    Label changing decisions are now always cut and dry.
    I designed and had a new label approved that I love, but could not afford to lose the branding the original label has built up. Below is the new label that has already been approved. I decided not to use it just yet, because we need the steady sales we are getting from the Big Texas Blonde with the label everybody looks for.
    Thanks for you input kmello69 and I agree. But the huge words "BIG BEER" seem to grab attention a thousand time more than "Big Texas Blonde" our whole goal for this one product was to design a high ABV beer you can drink in the Summer and all you need is just ONE beer. It was designed to be a transitional beer and it is working. And like somebody said a traditional Blonde is a light bodied low ABV beer. I really enjoy the Bomb Shell Blonde and drink the hell out of it, but I really don't want to brew a beer like that because it is already available. We tried to bring something to the market that in different and not just another traditional Blonde. It has its price, because by brewing a beer that is not traditional we do get hammered. :slight_frown:
    But on our Scotch Ale, ESB and Robust Porter we tried to brew the beer true to historic style all the way to the point that we build the water profile for Edinburg Scottland for the Scotch Ale and London water for the ESB. :slight_smile:
    It actually frustrates me that the Big Texas Blonde's sales double everything else, because I feel the other beers are so much better? :astonished:

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  18. TexasBigBeer

    TexasBigBeer Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Texas

    kmello69 I agree about the need to stand out with a different label. We are sending a label off tomorrow to the TABC that is TOTALLY different from anything out there. I bet people will really hate it, my wife does LOL :grinning:


    I am going to have a hell of a lot of fun with this series of beers.... if they approve it :sunglasses:
     
  19. UT-Alex

    UT-Alex Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2012 Texas

    Breweries undergo label changes all the time:

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    If anything a new and better looking label should turn more heads, not confuse people. I have a really strong opinion about your labels but you've expressed your reasoning for sticking to what you have, so I digress.
     
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  20. TexasBigBeer

    TexasBigBeer Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2012 Texas

    Not Really So MucH Of A Strong Opinion As I Have Marketing Going During The Summer Pushing The Big Texas Blonde. It Will End This Fall.
    What Is With My Phone Capitalizing Every Word?
     
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