Trader won't leave feedback

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  1. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    This is his feedback:

    "Terrible packing.Put a 750 in a box that it barely fit in with very little protection.When advised he should pack better became aggressive."

    Here's my feedback that I left almost 6 months ago:

    "Easy trade! Great communication, pro packaging, shipped on time, and has great beers. Trade with confidence"
     
    #21 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
  2. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Pretty much my take as well.

    Obviously, I don't know all the details behind what took place with this trade (have a feeling there must be a lot more we're not hearing about), but the reaction by @Jholcomb is a bit puzzling. I don't do a whole lot of trading, but I do enough to know that all kinds of things can go wrong with a trade (no matter how careful you are), and so as long as all the contents arrive in one piece, I'm grateful. Frankly, it's a bit difficult for me to put myself in @Jholcomb's shoes ("yes, everything arrived fine and in one piece, but I can't believe what a crappy packing job you did"). Seems more like the kind of thing you might have a good laugh over actually ("ha ha... yeah everything arrived fine and in good shape, but did you play basketball with the box before you shipped? Everything was really jumbled up inside. No matter, thanks for the beers and the all the extras.").

    Shrug. Everyone is different, and for whatever reason it sounds like @Jholcomb was really bothered by what he perceived to be a very substandard packing job. IMHO, that's still no reason to cut off all communication, or to refuse to leave feedback. Anyway, I'm with @Jaycase on this. Leave whatever feedback you feel is appropriate, and maybe even include a comment about the packaging you were unhappy with (and be done with it). Doesn't mean you guys ever have to engage in another trade, or even talk to one another again.
     
    #22 John_M, Dec 8, 2018
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  3. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    The funny thing is, there isnt more to this. He didn’t like my packaging and that’s effectively it. We argued about it and i still left him positive feedback. His response? Ignore me and then trash me when I got angry at what he was doing and leave what amounts to negative feedback.

    I’m confused how this warrants neutral feedback and trashing me in his feedback. I don’t seem to be able to alter my positive feedback for him....

    I pride myself on being a great trader and find this very troubling.
     
    #23 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
  4. Bum4ever

    Bum4ever Pooh-Bah (1,838) Jan 18, 2017 California
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    Dude stop being a dick and leave good feedback. You got all your beer in one piece. You then ghosted the guy for 6 months and refused to leave feedback. Whether or not you liked the packing job, it obviously worked. I would never trade with you, and I would definitely trade with the op.
     
    #24 Bum4ever, Dec 8, 2018
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  5. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Thank you - I appreciate that. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills right now!
     
    #25 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
  6. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Leaving retaliatory bad feedback isn't allowed and is subject to banishment. However, it's pretty hard for me to call what took place here retaliatory feedback on the part of @Jholcomb. Outside of that, there aren't a whole lot of rules in place governing "allowable' feedback.

    As I mentioned in my prior post, I don't really know what took place here, or why @Jholcomb appears to have had such a strong reaction to what he perceived to be a substandard packaging job. It's not how I would have reacted, but then I'm not him. If you want my advice, I would just walk away from this and put it behind me. One neutral feedback response shouldn't have any impact on your trading reputation, and if anyone asks about it, I would direct them to this thread for an explanation. That should satisfy most prospective traders I would think.

    I'm not sure there's much to be gained by trying to start a bad trader thread over this. Unless you think there's more to this than meets the eye, I think we all know why he only gave you neutral feedback. While I don't understand his reaction and don't agree with it, it does sound as if this was an honest reaction on his part. At least that's the impression I have based on the information available.
     
    #26 John_M, Dec 8, 2018
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  7. MattOC

    MattOC Pooh-Bah (2,100) Jan 13, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Wow. Sorry, OP. I’m shocked it was as I suspected. Everything arrived in order and it was somehow the packaging that bothered him. Thanks for bringing this to light. His attitude and responses are mind blowing. Adding him to my own personal DNT list. Not really a consolation, but Okay feedback, isn’t a major blemish to your rep. People that know how you trade will be more than enough to Protect your rep from this trader’s pettiness. Good luck.
     
    #27 MattOC, Dec 8, 2018
  8. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    This. So much this

    Beer got to both parties safely. Stop crying. Complete the process.
     
    #28 Thirst_trappist, Dec 8, 2018
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  9. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    It’s kind of frustrating for me that this could impact future trades for me over some pettiness.

    As you said, this is clearly retaliatory feedback which isn’t allowed...he got his beer in one piece with some really nice extras. How does that warrant neutral feedback? None of this feels right to me.
     
    #29 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
  10. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    He did complete it, but left neutral feedback and trashed me in it. I’ll undoubtedly have to explain this to a future trader, which frankly really sucks.
     
    #30 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
  11. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Since this seems to be a learning experience for all.....

    What do YOU feel should consistute neutral feedback?
     
    #31 Thirst_trappist, Dec 8, 2018
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  12. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    Consolation is there is thread to point to....not exactly what your wanted but he definitely didn't help himself out.
     
    #32 Thirst_trappist, Dec 8, 2018
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  13. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    Here’s the bottom line to me:

    1. He got his beer on time with no issues.
    2. He also got trillium and Hudson Valley as extras. I was genuinely grateful for the trade (BAA 18 for Tape Pop) to help me complete the Big Poppa set.
    3. We had an argument about my packaging.
    4. I put it behind me and still left VERY positive feedback.
    5. He ghosted me for 6 months (!) while purposely not leaving feedback because of that argument

    And I somehow get neutral feedback that trashes me out of this and it will undoubtedly come up in future trades...
     
    #33 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
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  14. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I don't have an opinion, and even if I did, it's not clear to me that it would be relevant to this thread. There's no standard for what should constitute a positive, neutral or bad feedback response. Most traders seem to use their own subjective criteria when leaving what they feel is appropriate feedback.

    This would not be the first time I've seen someone take issue with the feedback response they've received from a trading partner. My understanding is that unless the feedback in question is clearly retaliatory, there really is no recourse.

    As I told the OP, I think he'd have a pretty difficult time proving that leaving neutral feedback in this case was retaliatory. At least in his mind, it sounds like @Jholcomb felt he had a legitimate reason for feeling dissatisfied about his trade with the OP. The fact you and I may disagree with his reasons is, I think, irrelevant in this case.
     
    #34 John_M, Dec 8, 2018
  15. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I agree with your assessment of the situation, though I'm not sure I agree this is going to harm you all that much in future trades. At most I can see the occasional prospective trader asking you about the one neutral feedback response you received. I can't speak for everyone, but after reading over this thread I would have no qualms about trading with you. On the other hand, it would probably make me think twice about ever trading with @Jholcomb.
     
    #35 John_M, Dec 8, 2018
  16. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I guess I don't see how this isn't clearly retaliatory feedback. He only left feedback (after 6 months all the while being active on the site and posting trade offers) because of this thread and me commenting on his trade post. There was literally no reason for neutral feedback. No issues with timeliness, no communication issues, beer was in tact and shipped on time. Where is the issue?

    Us having an argument isn't grounds for lowering feedback rating and he specifically mentions the argument in his feedback comment (by saying I was aggressive after he was a dick)?

    It's very obvious to me that his feedback was meant to harm my reputation. How is that not retaliatory? No positives in his feedback...all he did was reference the argument essentially.
     
    #36 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
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  17. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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  18. Thirst_trappist

    Thirst_trappist Maven (1,420) Jan 18, 2016 Florida
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    I think your thoughts are relevant...you're a mod

    And feedback left only after a thread is made inquiring how to proceed because someone is left in the dark just before the deadline where a mod has to remind someone to leave feedback ...seems fishy
     
    #38 Thirst_trappist, Dec 8, 2018
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  19. Jholcomb

    Jholcomb Crusader (484) Jan 5, 2014 Illinois
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    My feedback is honest not retaliatory. If it was retaliatory I would of left negative. I was going to leave neutral immediately but just thought I would let the whole thing go and forget about it. You the other hand could not and harassed me and tried to influence other people from trading with me based on me not leaving feedback. I have a trade right now that the trader hasn’t left feedback and it doesn’t bother me a bit. I also will not constantly message him to do so. I really just wanted this whole thing to go away. That’s why I didn’t leave feedback initially. I left the feedback hoping this would end this mess.It seems like there is no way out of this. I don’t leave feedback your mad, I leave honest feedback your mad. Seems like the only way you are gunna be happy is if I left positive. Neutral feedback does not effect you percentage. I have never left anyone anything than positive feedback and didn’t want to do so ever. I left the feedback I did honestly. This whole situation is uncomfortable for me. The aggression and hostility has blown my mind.
     
    #39 Jholcomb, Dec 8, 2018
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  20. ScottDrinksCraft

    ScottDrinksCraft Zealot (544) Sep 29, 2010 Massachusetts
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    My first few messages to you were effectively "hey man - can you please leave feedback on our trade?". Once it was clear that you were ignoring me on purpose, yes, I got pissed. The fact that you don't understand that also blows my mind so I guess it's different points of view. Commenting on your trade posts seemed like the only way to get your attention...and I was correct.

    Regardless, I don't think ghosting me for 6 months was the right/respectful move. You honestly could have just said that in a message to me a long time ago.

    The fact that you just left feedback now after 6 months and after I commented on your trade posts/started this thread seems very retaliatory. You saw that I left you positive feedback a long time ago and your comments also seem very retaliatory since you mentioned the argument.

    Just because something doesn't bother you, doesn't mean it's not legitimate if it bothers someone else. That's why I sent you messages asking you to leave feedback.
     
    #40 ScottDrinksCraft, Dec 8, 2018
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