Trading Etiquette: the Backout Line...

Bad start: http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...ne-most-of-you-wont-want-to-deal-with.183678/

Great ending: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/giving-credit-where-its-due.188349/

 

When addresses are exchanged, that's where both parties have crossed the Rubicon. Just IMO.

Remember, your word is your bond and your reputation in this community, at least as far as I'm concerned. And I think most of the people I've traded with would agree with this.

 

by "line" I assume you mean 'at what point was it a no turning back trade,' and for me, it's when addresses are exchanged and/or the official trade request is accepted. I literally will not ship beer unless someone accepts that trade request - it 100% guarantees that publicly-available feedback can be left.

 

i would say once a trade request has been accepted or addresses have been exchanged. i make it a point to make sure i send or accept a trade request thats when a trade is legit.

 

As long as I don't ship beer, they can back out.

 

The Bros have said a trade is not set up until the Trade request is accepted. I think that is the line. If someone exchanged addresses with me and then backed out, but never accepted my trade request, I would be pissed. However if an official trade request wasn't accepted, by definition there was no official trade, therefore no official bad trader. They would def be on my personal DNT list though. Let's all make sure to use the system in place, and advise each other, we will not move forward until accepted. Is there a possibility that we might lose out on some good deals because the other side will have time to think it over, or get a better deal? Probably, but you prob don't want to deal with those kind of people anyway.

 

Ok, valid point, but when someone says "send me your info, I can ship tomorrow", I think that pretty much seals the deal up in many of our opinions. As far as the website is concerned it may not an "official" deal, but as far as earning credibility within the community, I'm pretty sure that's the point of no return.

 

I consider trading addresses the "line." At that point you have pretty much said "the trade is on."

 

Addressed exchanged or official trade request accepted, whichever happens first. Either one is a perfectly clear line that the deal is on.

 

It doesn't matter to me if addresses are exchanged, and it doesn't matter to me if a trade request has been accepted or offerred or not.

What matters to me is whether or not the two parties have agreed to a deal. When I'm conversing with someone about a trade I make it absolutely clear that negotiations are over with by writing something like "deal" or "done", if the other party responds and agrees, that's that.

To me, and this is me, the fact that within a few hours of that I haven't gotten around to exchanging addresses means absolutely nothing. You break that deal, you're dead to me, LOL.

I'll never understand folks saying, "oh, it's not until a trade request is accepted", or "it's not until addresses are exchanged", in one breath, then in the next follow with "well, if addresses weren't exchanged but they back out they're not a bad trader, but they go on my DNT list."

Why? Why? Why?

You've already said they're not a bad trader. They've done nothing wrong according to your own rules, yet they go on your DNT list??

That makes absolutely no sense to me.

That's the way I see it. Everyone else is free to act according to their own set of rules.

 

Because there are less serious reasons that might make you not want to trade with someone.

If, for example, I'm in a conversation with someone about a trade and they go silent or take a long time between responses even though it's obvious they're active elsewhere on BA, that raises a red flag. Communication and trust are the two pillars of successful trading; if either is lacking the likelihood of something going awry goes way up, IMHO.

 

I'm not following you.
Not talking about you backing out of a trade. Talking about THEM backing out of a trade.

 

I was giving a lack of communication as an example of a less serious reason you might want to add someone to your personal DNT list. Someone backing out of a trade with you after you've invested significant time into negotiating with them (and perhaps turned down other trades) would be another example of a less serious reason.

 

I agree it should be a done deal, for most including myself, but obviously not everyone agrees, esp newer traders. My comment is not directed specific situation, but all trades. As for credibility, I thought you came here asking everyone's opinion so we could agree on when a deal is officially done, or past the point of no return. Instead you're now just telling us how it is. We have a point of no return in place, but you chose not to use it. You did have to deal with a Dbag for sure, and it sucks dealing with that type. Just put them on your DNT list.

Edit: As a community we need to get over how it used to be. We asked for a trade back system, it was given to us, so lets use it.

 

First of all, let's not get things mixed up. I didn't start this thread, so no, I didn't come here asking for everyone's opinion. And second, I am not by any means "telling you how it is". I specifically said "I think...", and "I'm pretty sure...", and "in many of our opinions". None of the previous statements are saying that my "rule" for a done deal is in any way steadfast, but it's just my opinion and apparently the opinion of several other BA's in here, judging by their comments.

 

Ha you right, I got confused, my bad. I recant that portion of the statement