Trading within Canada

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by mtomlins, Jul 30, 2014.

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  1. FondueVoodoo

    FondueVoodoo Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2012 Canada (BC)

    I agree with @Lurkaholic - while tagging helps I expect many of these posts would be missed by most Canadian posters
     
    #21 FondueVoodoo, Aug 5, 2014
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  2. dresden

    dresden Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2012 Canada (SK)

    I think the prefix get it 90% of the way there, and is worth starting there.
     
    #22 dresden, Aug 5, 2014
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  3. FondueVoodoo

    FondueVoodoo Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2012 Canada (BC)

    It would be perfect if there was a way I could watch just Canada ISO:FT and IP
     
    #23 FondueVoodoo, Aug 5, 2014
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  4. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It doesn't, but you could apply this to every region. And if we add a trading subforum for Canada, everyone will want a subforum for their region. It's a can of worms that I'm not sure we should open.
     
    #24 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  5. Lurkaholic

    Lurkaholic Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Canada (BC)

    The one thing I think that gives Canada potentially a more compelling case from other regions is the tighter border controls making Canada / US trading something that the majority of Canadian traders won't consider. Effectively leaving us a bit isolated, and limiting to IP trades in the states or trades within Canada.
     
    #25 Lurkaholic, Aug 5, 2014
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  6. KendallKid

    KendallKid Initiate (0) Jun 9, 2014 New York

    Canada is not exactly just a region .
     
    #26 KendallKid, Aug 5, 2014
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  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Words. For our use, it is (as are other countries/groupings).
     
    #27 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  8. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You could apply the same case to several other regions/countries too.
     
    #28 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  9. dresden

    dresden Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2012 Canada (SK)

    I'm not even sure what that means, but it is slightly different in that it's a country, with borders that make trading difficult. But i'm sure many of the international regions have this problem, so I get why he has to draw the line somewhere.
     
    #29 dresden, Aug 5, 2014
  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    We could break down Canada into province-based prefixes too.
     
    #30 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  11. mtomlins

    mtomlins Pooh-Bah (1,585) Mar 12, 2010 Canada (ON)
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    Thanks for looking into the issue @Todd ! I didn't mean to open Pandora's box...or a can of worms....

    I agree that the regional tag is a great start. Something people might not be aware of is that by clicking on a regional tag in the IP forum, you only get results for that region. If we extended this functionality to say a button or check box at the top or side of the page in the ISO:FT forum, one could choose which region(s) they are viewing. That way, if you only wanted to see Canada/Europe/Africa trades, you could do so.

    This isn't the same as watching a thread, but it would be easy to see if/when new trades were posted. It would also be a way for people to filter out trades that cannot participate in.
     
    #31 mtomlins, Aug 5, 2014
  12. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You can't only select one prefix for sorting/viewing.
     
    #32 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  13. dresden

    dresden Initiate (0) Oct 28, 2012 Canada (SK)

    I would argue that the Canadian scene is too small to even warrant that. The big issue is the overhead of trading international. You can easily trade a box of 6 from west coast to east coast for $30, but to send from BC to Washington is probably $50 and the likelihood of it arriving isnt great.
     
    #33 dresden, Aug 5, 2014
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  14. Lurkaholic

    Lurkaholic Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Canada (BC)

    That's true, though I don't think it's any less valid by doing that - those regions will likely suffer the same issues that we do in Canada to some extent. Would non-US regional ISO:FT forums be such a large can of worms? I imagine the traffic would be small enough to not make a noticable impact on moderation tasks - at least, with the current amount of regional trade activity. Hopefully that would increase; which could lead to a bit more overhead. Are there other drawbacks I'm not thinking about?
     
    #34 Lurkaholic, Aug 5, 2014
  15. mtomlins

    mtomlins Pooh-Bah (1,585) Mar 12, 2010 Canada (ON)
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    Ah yes, very true. But, we would still be able to sort by Canada trades (or by other regions). If there was some kind of ribbon on the top/side of the page, one could easily toggle between regions.
     
    #35 mtomlins, Aug 5, 2014
  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    We could apply prefixes to ISO:FT (like IP), which would indicate roughly where the OP is trading from. Canada is a part of this prefix group already. We could then extend the prefixes to the rest of the "regions" listed under Regional forums.
     
    #36 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  17. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It raises 3 immediate issues.
    1. What about IP, Breweriana, and BIF forums? Should each non-US region get one of those too?
    2. Every time we add a new forum, it creates more work. So we'd have to go through the process of finding trustworthy/very active BAs to help out as mods.
    3. And to avoid the main forum list page from becoming too long, we'd need to drop Beer Trading under Subcultures again and make everything a subforum under it. (Some active traders didn't like this before, but they'd have to deal with it.)
     
    #37 Todd, Aug 5, 2014
  18. Lurkaholic

    Lurkaholic Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Canada (BC)

    I don't know if that goes quite far enough. I'd be concerned about Canadians not seeing it if it were posted there.
     
    #38 Lurkaholic, Aug 5, 2014
  19. Lurkaholic

    Lurkaholic Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2013 Canada (BC)

    I think those could probably all coexist on the same regional forum. The core purpose of said forums could be that they are regional, not that they are to trade a specific thing.

    Yep, fair enough. Regional mods for regional forums might be good though, as you'd get relevant timezone coverage.

    Could the these new ISO:FT forums instead exists as subforums under ISO:FT, so as to be less in the way?
     
    #39 Lurkaholic, Aug 5, 2014
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