Treehouse Madness!

Treehouse beers are great but they just seem very 'unfinished' so much yeast character. Let it go in the Brite a few more days Nate! Like he needs my advice right?!!! I'll probably get a ton of hate here but wtf.

 

Nate is the punk rock to your well-filtered Lionel Ritchie IPAs.

 

Not to worry, you are allowed to have a different opinion than the crowds of people who immediately buy out every can run. Of course, popular opinion is about the only way to put a quantitative rating on the quality of subjective things, so while you may not be wrong, the crowds most certainly are right.

 

I'm not arguing the eBay affect. If people look on the website called beer black book they can get an estimate of what stuff sells for on the secondary and then can create their own trade ratios from there.

I feel these ridiculous asks have caught speed ever since we were blocked to respond to ISO:FT posts.

When you see a person post "FT: 1 can of King Julius (or 750 growler) ISO: a rare or prop" (1 hour ago) and there is no feedback directly under their link. I feel this isolated view of threads 'in a community' sometimes leads member ps in an unreasonable trading direction. I was very lucky to have joined and have around 7-8 months (before the change) to read feed back on ISO:ft posts which allowed me to learn about creating fair ratios and I enjoyed feedback to my own posts when I was off. I'm sure I'm missing something with BA's reasoning but I feel if feedback was reintroduced these types of posts would be 'corrected by the members' in real time or at least force members to edit to reasonable asks, as they were in the past.

* disclaimer, I have been off on offers or asks in the past and always appreciated and adjusted according to feedback

 

To me the magic bullet is dollars. If someone wants to trade a Rare for $65 worth of Julius/Green/King Julius etc... that is actually fine - you both probably had to stand in line for a few hours to get your beers, so $ and effort are pretty even - that is a fair trade in my book, because you both put in the same effort and spent the same money.

Where I just laugh is when people expect well over dollar value back - I just say no thanks and move on. I apply the same logic to Toppling Goliath stouts - I am just not interested, and I don't care how rare a beer is.

 

There are still some good, honest traders out there with Treehouse that aren't trying to screw you over in a trade. I just completed my first trade for some Treehouse stuff and the trader was awesome and easy to work with!

Even the offers I couldn't complete, the traders themselves ex'd the trade because they didn't want to screw me over by not coming close to $4$. Maybe the problem is, people would have to give up a lot of Treehouse cans to come close to making it an even trade?

 

This just shows how subjective tastes are. I remember when I first had fresh Heady and thought it was the best ipa, or beer for that matter, that I had ever had. I've recently enjoyed most of the latest from Tree House and Trillium and absolutely love them. But I just got some fresh Heady in a trade a couple weeks ago and that first sip put an involuntary shit-eatin grin on my face and it's still the only beer that does that. For me, Heady is still the pinnacle.

 

Unfortunately this has always gone on, its simply the brewery that's changed.

Time was Cali people did this exact same thing with Pliny, Midwest traders did the same thing with Zombie Dust and NG beers available in any gas station anywhere in WI, florida traders did it with jai lai.......etc etc etc.

might seem new to those who weren't around for the history, but the only new thing is the brewery, not the activity.

more things change the more they stay the same.....unfortunately

 

The only thing that bothers me in this hype trading discussion is the argument that it's the person trading FOR Treehouse that is to blame. That's lame. They're only a minor part of the equation. The Treehouse trader actually sets the trade in most of these situations. They could ask for less in probably every TH trade ever made here and it'd still get done, but they chose not to. Bottom line: if you trade beer for way over $4$, you chose that deal and are the "problem" many have with beer trading. I've done it once with TG (4.5 hour drive, blah blah) and accept the criticism. The person I traded with was a quality, knowledgable BA, but he didn't set the value. I did.

 

I think the solution is to ignore the postings of other people, post a fair ISO of your own, and go from there. If your offer is reasonable, someone will take it eventually. Just gotta be patient.

 

I go to TH fairly often and most of my trades have included TH. I enjoy being able to share TH with others. The answer to all this is simply always trade $4$. No ones time is worth more than another. If you feel your beer is special then don't trade it. BUT there are times when all you have may not be $4$, so it's up to traders to decide.

Don't think it's too complicated, IMO.

Def does not happen only for TH beers...

 

It is honestly painful looking through the forums. It is ISO: Treehouse FT: VR/FO and ISO: DDG/SR71 FT: 3x Julius.
Those trades aren't that far off of what is actually posted. I'm sorry you had to wait in line. That doesn't add value to your beer, it is a personal decision sorry. If that were the case, my rares are $300 a piece. Not to mention Treehouse is released every week. "IMO the best beers in the world." Every time I see that I cringe.

As stated above the x1 KJ or 750ml of KJ for rare or prop, that is idiotic. There needs to be some sort of rating system for trade posts if comments are not going to be allowed. Maybe a fair/unfair or over-value/equal value/ under-value system.

Note: I thoroughly enjoy Treehouse beers, don't get me wrong. Their brand is incredible hence why they are so successful. I'll have Julius or Haze any day.

Rant over.

 

Jesus. "Trade me beer at the value I believe it should trade at, not the value that the trading market has clearly set."

Sure, 1 can of TH should not trade for Rare, but if someone wants to do a large batch of cans for that bottle, why not? "Oh, but Rare can be cellared so it is clearly superior to some IPA's that I can't stare at for 5 years." I like to drink beer, so 4, 8, or 12 cans might be worth it to me for a "big" bottle.

All that said, a lot of TH traders are assholes, but so are the rest of us. Comments in the trade threads would allow us to share our assholishness in a productive manner.

 

I think a few have hit the nail on the head. It's not unique to Tree House, and it's certainly not a new phenomenon. There will always be people who try to take advantage of others. Especially in any hobby/pursuit where people highly value the things within that hobby.

Also, the ability to comment on trade posts was not the magical elixir that it has been made out to be. People asked for ridiculous things before comments were disabled, and none of us really have any idea if comments actually kept those ridiculous offers from closing.

Not to mention the fact that in my experience, a lot of the trade feedback would consist of marginal disagreement over an exact ratio--I remember one post I made offering fresh (2014--it comes out in November) Abraxas+ for 2015 Huna and getting multiple comments about how I could probably get 2014 Huna, but not 2015. To me, feedback like that isn't constructive, because the difference between the actual offer and the "policed" offer was so marginal.

Remember--with Tree House or any other brewery--there are tons of shades of gray on what is or isn't a "fair" offer. The more extreme an offer is, the more people will likely agree that it is off-base, but *most* offers aren't extreme and reasonable people will disagree on whether or not they are fair. Which is the beauty of trading--connecting two people who are comfortable with a deal, even if there are several dozen other people who wouldn't be.

 

I just sent a box to a buddy for some treehouse beer. The trade was pretty much open in terms of bottles so i dont know exactly what im getting. But judging from the boxes he sends, its gonna be killer... so what im trying to say is, depending on how close you are to me (your username makes me believe youre in So Cal. So am I) Id be happy to share some treehouse!

 

I've been able to get some Treehouse beers for non BA stouts. You just need to find the right person. I've been able to try all the different cans with trading available, yet hard to find sometimes, 3Floyds and Pipeworks Beers.

 

Is treehouse even worth it to try? Is hype determining how people feel about the beer when they are drinking said beer? If they are driving many miles to drink this beer and you had to stand in line for hours to get it, then is it possible that is effecting how they perceive the beer? But is it really that good, or is it the hype around treehouse and all the talk about it that makes people think it's so good?
Personally, I have never had pliney, heady, zombie, jai alai, or treehouse. I've heard they are some great beers, but I'd be very lucky to be able to even taste a tiny sip of any of these fresh here in Alaska. I'd love to try any, or all for that matter. But at this rate, the likelihood of me being able to trade locals for treehouse are slim lol.

 

To me, yes, Treehouse has the best IPAs I have tried. And I have had everything you listed.

 

I mean tough call. the real question is do you want to pay the shipping for any of those? if the answer is yes, then of course they are attainable w beers you have, even local to you. And tree house is worth it

 

All this talk about how rare and awesome Tree House is... and then someone threw in Trillium as well. I've tried over 10 Tree House beers (including King Julius), and I've tried over 10 Trillium beers (including Scaled Up)...save yourself the time, trouble, and worries. Go get yourself some Trillium or trade for it. Their beer is just as good if not better when it comes down to the IPA, DIPA end of things. No they don't brew Good Morning, but trading a Parabajava for 2 cans of KJ is just stupid...then again, if you trade your Parabajava for 2 cans of KJ, that is your own stupidity.

Where is all the talk about Hill Farmstead?? Best brewery and beers in the country in my opinion!!

This response might get some all hopped up. Drink up. Cheers!