Trip to East Germany

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  1. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    I am doing preliminary planning of a trip sometime next year. My brother-in-law wants to go to Berlin and Prague and I was wanting to check out some places roughly between there. (It looks like Brandenburg, Saxony, Saxon-Anhalt, and possibly Thuringia)?

    I realized that hop harvesting season was sometime this month and then I learned that there is a lesser known hop growing region in that area called Elbe-Saale.

    I would like to know what interesting there is to do around those states, and if there is anything good beer related in the Elbe-Saale region? Are there any festivals in the year or good breweries?

    I had been interested in Leipzig and Dresden for a while but I don't know what else is in that area.
     
  2. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    In short - not much. You initial thought of hitting Dresden and Leipzig are spot on, mostly though for the historic elements. Maybe there are some "crafty" places in the meantime, but beer-wise it's lackluster. Hurry to Prague for some unfiltered (and possibly unpasteurized?) Pilsner Urquell!
     
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  3. FrankenBier

    FrankenBier Zealot (645) Feb 4, 2003 California

    Four years ago my brother and another friend did a bicycle tour from Jena to Rostock (We actually started in Bamberg, rode to Lichtenfels and then caught train over the hills :slight_smile: )

    Other than Leipzig (Ohne Bedenken!) there wasn't really much interesting beer along the way -- though to be somewhat fair to Berlin we did some touristy things there as my brother hadn't been (and there was some sort of sporting event in Brazil that people were interested in)

    Had some decent beers at Papiermühle (along with a Wöllnitzer) in Jena and some interesting Störtebeker beers at their Rostock pub (zum Alten Fritz). The rest was industrial beer and typical under attenuated "three colors" (yellow, brown, white) borderline swill at brewpubs along the way. Although on particularly hot and humid day the Lübzer Grapefruit went down well :slight_smile: (Basically a Radler with grapefruit soda)

    As for Prague, do try some Urquell but there is much more interesting stuff to be found. Headed that way again in a month and will update www.BeerGuidePRG.com with any new findings.

    (BTW, the route was Jena, Naumburg, Leipzig, Bad Schmeideberg, Jötebog, Berlin, Oranienburg, Fürstenberg, Waren, Krakow am See, Rostock)
     
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  4. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    Thank you both. If there's nothing else interesting in the hop region then I think that I'm leaning towards including Dresden as a stop on this trip.

    I've been to Germany many times before, but never in the eastern states. I participated in aa foreig exchange program twice in high school based out of Koblenz and making many trips around the west side of the country, I think in 2000 and 2002 but I didn't drink in high school.
    Then I had an internship in Dortmund and did weekend trips to Köln, Bamberg and Munich, Heidelberg, Munster and Bremen, and others.
    I had my honeymoon over one Christmas going from Bamberg to Salzburg and back to Munich. And I've taken another trip back to Koblenz, Trier, and the Black Forest.

    I don't like Munich even though I know most people rave about the beer though.

    This trip I wanted to go places I've never been before. I want to spend the longest in the Czech Republic but also some time in Berlin and somewhere in between.

    I think in Dresden I'd want to see what Feldschlösschen is doing... It may not be very good beer but I'm familiar with them because ALDI gets seasonal beers from them and I enjoy getting the bocks and schwarzbier.

    Then museums, architecture, food, and wine will all be other things to do and see.
     
  5. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    Feldschlößchen? With all due respect...nein. Dresden is a great place to visit, but not because of Radeberger or Feldschlößchen.
     
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  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Berlin has fantastic museums, and the beer scene is improving.
     
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  7. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    So it looks like you're doing exactly what I did in 2013: Berlin, Dresden, Prague.

    I won't go in to Berlin as there's so much to do and there's plenty of info out there.

    In Dresden I'd recommend a trip out to Brauhaus am Waldschlösschen. Their beers may not be the greatest but if the weather is good there's a biergarten in front that overlooks the city, and even if you don't get to sit there you'll see it on the way up. I'd suggest taking the bus up as it's a bit of a hike, but walk down to Dresdner Molkerei Gebrüder Pfund, and old ice-cream shop that's still intact inside from 1880. It's a big tourist attraction so there's another bus stop right there. If you have a car and the weather's good you might want to go further out to the Schillergarten for more beautiful views, and then the Lignerterrassen at the Villastockhausen if you're into castles.

    There are also three Watzke locations which have decent food and their beers are pretty good as well. Two are all lined up going back into the altstadt when coming back from Brauhaus am Waldschlösschen so I'd get off of the bus at Albertplatz / Bautznerstrasse and walk down Königstrasse to the Rahnitzgasse which is lined with shops where you'll find Watzke am Goldenen Reiter (Golden Rider which is a statue there nearer to the river). From there it's just a few feet to Dresden's most beautiful biergarten, Augustusgarten am Narrenhäusl. Enjoy the scenery with a brew and then cross the Elba and wander around near the Frauenkirche and Striezelmarket eventually landing in the center of the altstadt at Dr. Külz Ring not far from the train station.

    The one I haven't included is the Ballhaus Watzke which is more fancy, and where they do musical events and so forth. If you want to check it out it's not a far walk to the west from Watzke am Goldenen Reiter but I'd check on their hours.

    Another interesting place to check out is in the neustadt at Goerlitzer Str. 23, the Kunstofpassage or art courtyard passage. The walls of the buildings act as canvases for some interesting art and there are small places where you can grab a bite and a beer and relax.

    You could do pretty much all of this in a full day if you wanted to rush it, or pair it down depending on how many hours you might have if you want to get to Prague quickly. For me, if the weather was good and the biergartens open I'd stay a night and see it all. If you go in fall or winter, however, I'd make it a day trip.

    In Prague I have only four beers stops to recommend although there's much more now:
    - U Fleku is a historic brewery that you must visit. Just one beer but it's excellent, and there's limited but good food as well, and lots of entertainment in the atmosphere and people.
    - U Medvidku is another classic that once made the strongest beer in the world, their X33 (12.6%). It's also a hotel but I wouldn't recommend it.
    - Klasterni Strahav Pivovar is the monastery brewery atop the hill across the river from the old town above the St. Nicholas church. It's a long walk up the hill so buy a ticket at the tabac shop and take the trolley up and walk down, which is really what makes it worth the trip. If perhaps you wanted to go even further, in the same direction is the Brevnov Klasterni Pivovar but that's a real hike.
    - U Tri Ruzi is a new brewpub in the center of the old town right near the clock tower. It's a little more expensive but the food is good, and different from what you'll find in most places. Nice beers as well.

    If you haven't decided where to stay yet, staying on a boat can be a nice change, and may or may not cost less depending on the season; and now there's a brewery on a boat as well, the Lod Pivovar which is probably worth a visit.

    Good luck! Have fun! Prost!!!
     
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  8. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    Good, because I'm not going to Dresden for Feldschlösschen. If it was I'd probably be trying to go to Wernesgrüner. I drink a lot of that and it'd be interesting to see where it's from. But Dresden has a lot of sights, it's own history, and more. Seeing where the Maibock that I'm finishing up most of a case of is from as well as the Schwarzbier that's filled a shelf of my pantry. I don't have any assumptions that they are paragons of the style but I really don't respect to be disappointed drinking almost any beer from the area sitting on the banks of the Elbe. I've never had any of their basic beers just the more specially seasonals.

    Beer is definitely a big interest for sampling on my trips but I don't really base my decisions on where the absolute best beer is.

    As I said I've been to Munich a couple of times but really don't care for the city even if the beer at Augustinerkeller was great. I like Köln a lot more even if I didn't really think the Kölsch beers were anything to write home about.
    I was in love with Bamberg but I've only drank Schlenkerla there. Koblenz has a soft spot in my heart even though they never had great breweries.

    If I end up going to Dresden there will also of course be some wine tastings. My last trip included a slow drive down the Mosel wine area.
     
  9. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    I will say I don't have any interest in the "craft beer" of Germans trying to do American styles. I'm happy for the people there to get stuff that they don't normally have but I'm not traveling abroad to drink yet more IPA's. I will try one or so if I come across it just to see how similar or different it is but I'd rather stick with what I can't get here.

    I'll be interested if there's a craft brewery there that tries to do their own thing with traditional styles or non-traditional but also non-american beers. I don't think just using Cascade hops instead of traditional hops in a Pilsner is very interesting but if they can get the right malt profile I may be more interested than I would be otherwise.
     
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  10. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    Thank you very much for the information. My reasoning for this trip is surely different from your choices but I was surprised to find out about your trip when I was researching for this.

    My brother in law accompanied my wife and I on our last trip to Germany in 2015 and we wanted to go again. He has some old high school friends that one lived in Berlin and the other in Prague so he wanted to go visit them. The one in Berlin apparently also moved to Prague.

    I was wanting a third place to visit even if it's a smaller one so that was what I was trying to figure out here.

    I'd want to spend the bulk of my time in the Czech Republic because I've never been. I was thinking of spending one night in Dresden or wherever, maybe only 2 nights in Berlin then 3 or 4 in Prague (or Pilzen, or somewhere else there).
     
  11. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    In my experience, and I've tasted quite a few samples to get to this conclusion, for whatever reason Germans just can't get American beers right. I'm not sure why that is. There is at least one exception, and some other honorable mentions, but for the most part they can't seem to get the balance quite right. An that actually goes for other world styles as well.

    On that note, I have also not found a German craft brewery that doesn't focus on American styles that tries to "do their own thing" other than doing their own slightly different variation on already set styles.

    That said, the Germans are very focused on their beers, and honing their recipes. I don't think that most Americans can appreciate those subtleties as we seem to focus more on bigger and bolder beers. We haven't learned to refine our palates as well. At a brewery not too far to the east of Bamberg I ran into two younger brewers who were interested in what I was brewing (they didn't work there, they had their own brewery, they were just visiting). I told them "everything" because we pretty much brew whatever we want except for sour barrel beers, etc. (nothing that can infect the whole brewery). They seemed confused by that, but then offered that they now had two beers! So, wow, two beers that they've been refining since they opened. But that's the German way.

    So, again, good luck and prost, and if you do go to Dresden I totally agree that you won't "be disappointed drinking almost any beer from the area sitting on the banks of the Elbe."
     
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  12. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    I did an overnight in Dresden and really enjoyed it. I wasn't too focused on beer, but I grabbed a store-bought Meissner Schwerter Bennator Bockbier and enjoyed it . I went to Watzke's am Goldenen Reiter (I think) and had an OK smoked beer, but the walk back into Dresden's Altstadt at night can't be beat. Beautiful city. The art museum is nice. I didn't do the Grünes Gewölbe but that's a thing.

    The Invisible Factory is just outside of town, too, if you're into that sort of thing:

    No need to thank me, just send Meissen figurines.
     
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  13. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    @Gutes_Bier I'm really not a car guy but that transparent factory looks really cool.

    Just like one of my favorite museums I've been to was the Daimler museum outside of Stuttgart. Not as much for the cars (Mercedes-Benz) but for how it Incorporated history and how the company was influenced by world events and tried to make their place in the world.

    By contrast the worst museum I've been to was the BMW museum in Munich. Just a bunch of self obsessed displays showing off how much power they were able to put in the cars (by contrast Daimler focused almost entirely on safety features). And the BMW museum was trying to be "futuristic" but just made me want to leave with the incessant random beeps and creeps.
     
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  14. Gutes_Bier

    Gutes_Bier Maven (1,363) Jul 31, 2011 Germany

    I’m not a car guy either, but it looks like a fun thing to do. Full disclosure, I have never been to that factory. I went to the Porsche Museum in Stuttgart once and it was pretty neat, although maybe more along the lines of th BMW Museum as you described it, with fewer beeps and creeps maybe.

    As I alluded to, the Meissen factory is near Dresden, I’ve always wanted to check that place out, too.

    EDIT: factory, not museum..
     
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  15. FrankenBier

    FrankenBier Zealot (645) Feb 4, 2003 California

    Just some updates/comments on Prague...

    Beware if the waiter says "Welcome to Prague" and offers you a shot -- it is not free -- quite expensive, actually.

    I used to be a fan of U Medvídků but the last couple of times they pulled that here's a shot crap and the waiters have been rude. If you want some good Budvar, Budvarka in Dejvice is an option. Trams 8, 18, 20 and 26 pretty much go right there. Not quite the "beer hall" experience the food and beer has always been good for me.

    Trams 22 and 25 go to a fairly short walk to Břevnovský Klášterní -- I found there beers more interesting than Strahav (but Strahov is easier to get to).

    No longer so new, has been there at least 3 years :slight_smile:

    Across the river in Malá Strana is Pivovar Vojanův dvůr -- a new brewpub opened by the same folks at U Tří růží. I haven't been but the beers on the website seem similar. Sometimes the crowds of tourists on the Staré Město end of the Charles Bridge are too much for me and I have to go somewhere else. Lots of people in Malá Strana but its not quite as bad.
     
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  16. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    I have to wonder how large your sample size is for that statement? Which breweries are you basing this on exactly? As someone who has had beers by Tree House, Trillium, Other Half, Alchemist, etc. I can tell you that Frau Gruber and Fürst Wiacek both make absolutely terrific, world class (NE)IPAs that are absolutely on par with the top US breweries. Heidenpeters, AleMania, Kehrwieder, Hanscraft, Orcabräu, Crew Republic and plenty of others also make very good IPAs and other "American beers".

    Sure, there a plenty of bad German craft breweries as well (as I'm sure there are in the USA), but making the sweeping generalization that Germans as a whole just cannot get American beers right is, frankly, ridiculous. Only last week I had a WC DIPA by this tiny new microbrewery which recently opened close to me which is one of the best examples of the style I've ever had.

    Freigeist Bierkultur is one of the earliest German craft pioneers and have always been dedicated to brewing old, traditional styles such as Lichtenhainer, Adambier, Knupp, etc. and are also known for their crazy, experimental herb and spice beers.
     
  17. barrybeerdog

    barrybeerdog Pundit (941) Aug 17, 2012 South Dakota

    As far as beer experiences go, participating in the Zoigl tradition of the Oberpfalz region would be a real treat. Research it & look for the "brewing star".
    Enjoy your trip!
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The BMW museum circa 1998 was terrible. They replaced it, but I have not been back.

    The Diamler Benz museum of the same era was a joy to go through. That has been replaced too.
     
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  19. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Firstly, @Snowcrash000 is absolutely correct, and I apologize, I should not have generalized; and my sample size is fairly small which may be part of the problem. I was also thinking of some Austrian breweries at the time as well. I haven't been to Berlin since 2013 and the craft scene hadn't really started then, and I haven't been to the south since fall 2017.

    My least favorite, and best example of not being able to make a proper American IPA is one that you like, CREW Republic. Perhaps I've had off-batches, of maybe they've gotten better. Some others include Kronprinz Bamberg, Weyermann (love their malts, not their beers), Brauerei Nikl, and even Geisinger. I did say there were exceptions though; and although I've never had an IPA from Freigeist I've always enjoyed their beers.
     
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  20. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    I definitely thought that Watzke's was going to be a stop for me.

    Thanks for the information for Prague. I thought there was plenty of information out on the webs on stuff to do there and we'll have a guide for some things at least. U Fleku is absolutely on my list.
     
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