Triple IPAs

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  1. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Have a Devil Dancer that's well over a year old. It's a Barleywine, and it's fantastic.
     
  2. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    That didn't really address anything I said, especially when I started with "120 minute is a DIPA." But since you went there: yes, compare recipes. Check the malt load of 120 minute. A better analogy would have been that Enjoy By is an alligator; Bigfoot is a chicken; and beers like 120 minute come across as a dinosaur, with characteristics of both. As I said, a beer like that seriously blurs the line.

    Stout-like porters are the same argument: once the recipe (and the taste) are the same, you're just picking a label. See the eight million threads on that, with numerous examples that cross the line in either direction.

    By your justification, TIPA is definitely a style, as the ingredients can be different, and that's what this thread is supposed to be about. I still only buy that if the recipe is ACTUALLY different, like PtY; not sure if Green Bullet qualifies, and this very website disagrees, regardless.
     
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  3. freakeconomist

    freakeconomist Initiate (0) Oct 8, 2013 Georgia

    Agreed.
     
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  4. Duane_Opfer

    Duane_Opfer Initiate (0) May 25, 2013 Virginia

    Immense Imperial India (III) Pale Ale - Need this descriptor added ASAP!
     
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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I quoted too much of your prior post. Was specifically referring to:

    "Doesn't mean that 120 minute is or is not a DIPA/Barleywine. I happen to think it seriously blurs the line, though, whereas beers like PtE and HT are pretty clearly DIPAs. Age a 120 minute, and the line completely gets obliterated."

    The point I'm trying to make is that what they taste like is a side effect of the receipe not the defining characteristic of the style. Individual styles may happen to have unique flavor characteristics but that’s the target of the recipe which defines the style.

    The category DIPA is an arbitrary one as is/would be TIPA. So yes there could be a category of Triple IPA, but why bother, are there really a lot of them?. The style lines are fuzzy boundaries (like the topographic lines on a map showing where the tree line begins and ends), and some, like Quad" are simply made up by sites like this one.

    Take a look through the post by Bonis, just a couple below one of yours.
     
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  6. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Ah, yeah, that makes more sense. Seems a bit contradictory, though: style lines can be fuzzy between IPA and DIPA, but never between DIPA and Barleywine? If the target of the recipe for 120 minute or Devil Dancer is to come across more like a Barleywine (or at least in between), then that's not a side effect, and the arbitrary characteristic is calling it a DIPA. There's really no reason to slap one label over another on a beer like that; we just like labels, so we do.

    That's why this comes up at all. Some of these beers aren't brewed to conform to a particular style guideline; the style label is applied retroactively based on what someone thinks fits (BSDA vs Quad, Stout vs Porter, et al). RR, Founders, and Green Flash all have what they call Triple IPAs, based on what they think they were trying to accomplish with the recipe. I agree having a separate category for that is unnecessary; BA seems to think having a separate category is unnecessary; the brewers disagree with us.

    Just seems that when a brewer goes out of the way to make a beer that no longer fits the style guidelines, sticking to the "It's a DIPA, damnit!" line seems weird. I agree that it's beer; beyond that, I care if it tastes good. :slight_smile:
     
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  7. TheGator321

    TheGator321 Initiate (0) May 29, 2013 Connecticut

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  8. TheGator321

    TheGator321 Initiate (0) May 29, 2013 Connecticut

    120 min is NOT a barley wine
     
  9. tectactoe

    tectactoe Pooh-Bah (2,386) Mar 20, 2012 Michigan
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    Oh ok thanks for the heads up.
     
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  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Agreed. Didn't say it was, and have been arguing it is not. Two different recipes with more than just additional boil time and an extra helping of the same ingredients as in the 90 or 60 min.
     
  11. kdb150

    kdb150 Initiate (0) Mar 8, 2012 Pennsylvania

    The real question is whether my triple-hops brewed pilsener is just a pilsener, or a triple IPA.
     
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  12. RBassSFHOPit2ME

    RBassSFHOPit2ME Initiate (0) Mar 1, 2009 California

    It was MEH. there becomes a point where it becomes much too muddled, messy, and sweet. 120 pulls it off pretty well though at such a high ABV
     
  13. RangnaR

    RangnaR Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 California

    Maybe they'll bring back a better version, but I always like trying their new stuff.... I thought their Midnight Hoppyness was pretty tasty!
     
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  14. Eroc13

    Eroc13 Initiate (0) Oct 26, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Fegley's Hopsolutely is a great brew, considered a triple IPA.
     
  15. mudbug

    mudbug Pooh-Bah (1,762) Mar 27, 2009 Oregon
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    Yep. kind of like a kindergarden competition where every kid gets a medal.
    IMHO there are far too many "styles" already. I'd like to see some serious weeding out.
     
  16. opwog

    opwog Initiate (0) Jun 16, 2008 Minnesota

    Anybody who has ever had Younger or Exponential, knows why there needs to be a term like triple IPA, just to discuss beers like this, but I don't see any compelling reason for anybody to create a pseudo legitimate "category" for them. If anything, I might make the case that they have distanced themselves so far from anybody's understanding of an original IPA, that they may best be listed under American Strong.
     
  17. Ericness

    Ericness Zealot (646) Nov 21, 2012 Massachusetts

    I'm personally waiting in eager anticipation for the day when Octuple IPAs rule the shelves and these weak little DIPAs are confined to dusty cellars.
     
  18. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    WHAT'S A DIPA DOING IN YOUR CELLAR. YOU KNOW THEY SHOULDN'T BE AGED!

    just kidding
     
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  19. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    Forget water... I'm going to start brewing beer using nothing but hop juice. I'm just going to squeeze hops until I have enough to brew a beer with it
     
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  20. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I think the craft beer scene should go 1 of 2 ways here:
    1) go with the Imperial IPA name only. Represents any IPA style (American or English but mostly applies to American) over 7.5% or 8% (pick a threshold).

    2) If we want to use double or tripel in the name than make it distinct ABV thresholds that separate them.

    IBUs/hops really don't come into play as "bittering unit" doesn't necessarily coorelate to how bitter the beer is.
    I've had many 60 IBU beers much more bitter than 100+ IBUs.
     
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