Trouble with Terminal Gravity

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  1. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Could use some help..

    Brewed an Imperial Oat Stout w/ coffee and maple syrup (5 gallons)

    9/23/17 - Brew day, OG 1.078 (before maple syrup), pitched 2 smack packs of swelled Wyeast London Ale III and oxygenated 60 seconds w/ stone pure O2, fermented 66F x2 days
    9/25/17 - Raise temp to 68F, healthy krausen noted, 11.5 oz maple syrup added
    9/27/17 - Added additional 3 oz maple syrup
    9/28/17 - Raise temp to 72F
    9/30/17 - 1.035
    10/8/17 - cold crashed w/ 2 oz coffee beans x36 hrs
    10/9/17 - transfer to keg w/ 4.3 oz maple syrup to keg condition
    10/25/17 - to kegerator
    10/26/17 - served, final gravity still at 1.030

    I messed up by assuming gravity would drop between 9/30 and 10/8. Should have taken gravity before transfer to keg. Expected FG is 1.023. OG before maple syrup 1.078, 1.19 lb of maple syrup added during fermentation adds .006 gravity = 1.084 hypothetical OG.

    Any ideas on what could be causing the underattenuation and what can be done at this point to rectify it?
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    What did you measure attenuation with? Although it is a good idea to believe your measurements, are you sure it was an accurate measurement? Could something have thrown it off? If not pitch some neutral high attenuator like US-05, (imho).
     
  3. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Good ole hydrometer, using 73% attenuation as benchmark for the strain. You think US-05 will take it down to the 1.023 range?
     
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  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    What does it taste like? If it doesn't taste like it's finished, the US-05 couldn't hurt.
     
  5. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    It probably needed more time. You chilled it down before it was finished. If you warm it back up and swirl like mad and then leave it alone for another 2-3 weeks, it should finish. Otherwise, just leave it alone and enjoy it for what it is.
     
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  6. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Just strange to me that over the course of 25 days it only dropped .006 (accounting for priming maple syrup). I'll try some US-05 and keep it warm for another week or two.
     
  7. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I have only used London Ale III twice and both times have finished way above expected gravity. My Wee Heavy finished .02 above expected and a recent NEIPA-ish brew has if currently at .018 above expect. I guess I could leave the IPA for another week, but it is only going to get colder where I am and might not stay above 64 degrees in the house at all times. It is one of those yeast I am thinking about avoiding in the future.
     
  8. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    They probably took a deep liking to the maple syrup addition, which was simple and crack-like for them and they got lazy after finishing with it.
    Doesn't look particularly big going by your og, but. WIth your gravity stalling out in the 1030 range like it did. That seems like a probable cause for them pooping out on you.
     
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  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Average attenuation when I use it is about 76%, which is pretty great IMHO.
     
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  10. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    It tastes good, perhaps a little sweet, but I feel that my perception of that sweetness increased after I took the 1.030 gravity reading. Confirmation bias I guess though.
     
  11. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    So two smack packs, and no starter? That could be part of your problem. Sounds like you underpitched a little.
    I agree with the above comment too, you should have given it more time in primary.
    You probably still have a decent beer, as is though. I would leave alone.
     
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  12. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I would say possible under pitch. When I just did my recent NEIPA DIPA OG was predicted at 1.076 and yeast calculator estimate 286bil cells needed. If you only used 2 smack packs that's less than 200bil cells (at most 200bil if yeast was not even a day old). I made a 1.75 liter starter and pitched about 290 bil cells. My OG ended up being 1.074 and final was 1.016 (1.018 was predicted using brewcipher)

    *edit* I also used London ale III 1318
     
  13. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I personally find London ale III to perform very well and fast if pitched at the proper rate
     
  14. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    What was your mash like? I.e., single infusion vs. step, temperature, length.

    ETA: You could also try to force-ferment a small sample before adding US-05 to the whole batch, if you haven't already.
     
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    What were your grain bill, mash temp, and mash length?
     
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  16. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    60% Golden Promise
    19% Flaked Oat
    5% Maple Syrup
    3.5% Chocolate
    3.5% Pale Chocolate
    3.5% Victory
    3.5% Caramel 60
    2% Roasted Barley

    Single infusion 156F, mash pH was 5.3

    I think it was underpitch too perhaps.

    Also, after using this much maple syrup (high quality maple syrup) and not getting much aroma/flavor, I think that those commercial breweries getting a lot of character must either use the low quality (artificial flavored) maple syrups, add syrup after alcohol tolerance of yeast, or use extracts.

    I used a lot of syrup, at all stages of the brewing process and little to nothing.
     
  17. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    So perhaps this is something I just haven't learned/encountered yet. I have always been a 1 pack guy. Every beer I have made has only used one pack of yeast regardless of style (except the few horrid experiences I had with starters). Thus far only Windsor and London Ale III have had this much of a difference as far as final gravity for me is concerned. Perhaps I need to pick and choose a little better when/where I use a starter or two packs of yeast. If under pitching is my issue, as it is seemingly with the OP, then this might be a fun experiment for me to work out over the next few years.
     
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  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Putting your recipe (without the syrup) into BrewCipher and adjusting efficiency to get 1.078 OG, it predicts 1.027 FG. (I assumed 60 minute mash)

    Adding 1.19 lbs maple syrup (@100% apparent attenuation) brings OG to 1.085 and FG remains at 1.027.
     
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  19. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @Granitebeard , yeah go for starters or multiple packs if you can. I used to make starters when I had the setup. Been cheap and haven't gone in on a new stirplate and flask yet. Used to make 1L starters for 1.050, then 1.1L for 1.055, 1.2L for 1.060... 2L starter for 1.100.
     
  20. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @VikeMan , yeah 60 min mash. So 1.030 isnt that far off per BrewCipher. Good to know, thanks man.
     
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