Trying To Avoid Undercarbing My 4th Batch

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  1. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    I've got my 4th batch fermenting downstairs and will be bottling either this weekend or next so I want to try to address a problem I had with my 3rd batch. Batch #4 is "Triple-X Sweet Stout" from the book "Brewing Classic Styles".

    My 3rd batch was a 2 gallon batch of "Whose Your Taddy" Porter from the book "Brewing Classic Styles". I was aiming to carb to 2.0 volumes of CO2. I don't remember what calculator I used but I wrote in my notes that I used 1.2 oz of corn sugar. The beer tasted very good but was VERY under-carbed. Not sure why and I'd like some guidance as to what might have caused that and what I should do to avoid that again.

    My 2nd batch was carbed pretty well though a bit on the low side. Batch #2 2 Gal Irish Red and I didn't write down how much corn sugar I used but I would guess it was close to 1.2oz like I used for Batch #3 (but might have been a bit more). So let me tell you what was different about Batch #2 vs the low-carbed batch 3. The first big difference was #2 used dry yeast and #3 used liquid yeast (I'm certain I pitched proper amount). The second big difference was #2 was bottled after 2 weeks in the primary and #3 was bottled after 3 weeks in the primary. Could the issue have been that after 3 weeks in the primary there was not enough yeast left?

    So... Batch #4 is dry yeast again. I pitched about 3/4 of a pack of S-04 that had been rehydrated. I looked at the carb calculator on Brewer's friend (which looks like it's values are a bit higher than what ever I used before) and it says for 2.0 volumes of CO2 at 68 F I should use 1.3 oz of corn sugar. It says to use 1.9 oz to get 2.5 volumes of CO2. So maybe split the difference to get a bit more than I had last time?

    So what would you recommend that I do as far as 2 weeks vs 3 weeks in the fermentor and how much corn sugar?
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “So what would you recommend that I do as far as 2 weeks vs 3 weeks in the fermentor and how much corn sugar?”

    It really comes down to your personal preference on a carbonation level. I checked the priming calculator on the Tastybrew website and 1.2 ounces of corn sugar and 2 gallons calculates to 2 volumes CO2. For my palate, 2 volumes is very lowly carbonated.

    That priming calculator suggests 2 – 2.4 volumes for the Sweet Stout style so a light carbonation level of 2 would be ‘to style’ but maybe you would enjoy it more if it were a bit more carbonated? Maybe something like 2.5 volumes would better suit your preference? If so, use 1.8 ounces of corn sugar for a 2 gallon batch.

    The time in the fermentor (2 vs. 3 weeks) is immaterial here; just make sure your beer has reached final gravity.

    Cheers!
     
  3. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Thanks Jack! I'll take your advice....
     
  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I'm assuming you are giving your beer adequate time to carbonate? The rule of thumb you usually hear is 2 weeks but honestly your beer will likely not be ready for 3 or 4 weeks.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My beers are consistently fully carbonated at the 2 week mark but I enjoy the flavors of the beer more at the 3-4 week mark.

    Cheers!
     
  6. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    The 2 week vs 3 week question was about time in the fermentor -- just wondering if it was possible that after 3 weeks in the fermentor my yeast was no longer up to the task of carbonating.

    As to the time I leave it carbing.... I waited at least 3 weeks at 70 F then put some in the fridge and left the others at around 68F and put a few in the fridge at a time. So I don't think it was lack of carb time.
     
  7. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I have fermented a lager in primary for 4 weeks, lagered it in a secondary for 2 months, and still bottle conditioned it without having to add new yeast. I wouldn't worry about it.
     
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  8. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I'm probably bottle conditioning at a lower temperature than many people do most of the year, but even when I do it during the summer I would agree that while it is adequately carbed at 2 weeks, it is, imo, not properly conditioned. There is something about that extra couple of weeks.
     
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  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    This is pretty basic, but I'll ask anyway. OP, are you leaving your bottles at room temp during the carbonation period? Or was your beer subjected to cold crashing or cold conditions before bottling that could have allowed some of the yeast to go dormant?
     
  10. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Yes at room temp... 70F for about three weeks. No cold crashing.
     
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  11. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Bottled today! I used the 1.8 oz of corn sugar as suggested above to get 2.4 vol in 2 Gal batch. I made it was well mixed during bottling. Bottles are now sitting at 72 F where they will sit for 3 weeks before I try the first one.

    This was the smoothest bottling day I've had except for my first batch! Second batch I had trouble due to some bottles that had slightly too large opening. Third batch I had some bottles break - the capper that came with my kit seemed to not work so well! This batch I got a nice new red capper and that felt much smoother and all worked well. I also got one of those Fast Racks and that made things easy...

    So thanks for the advice and now I wait!
     
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  12. MostlyNorwegian

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  13. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Did you boil the sugar long enough. That was my problem when i started. I think most of it sank in the bucket and never got in the bottles.
     
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  14. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Pretty sure I did.... When I looked at it all the sugar was dissolved.
     
  15. mfowler314

    mfowler314 Devotee (375) Aug 12, 2015 New York

    Forgot to update you all on this. The carb level turned out OK... Could be a bit more but it is acceptable. So next time I'll bump things up just a bit more. Thanks for the help!!
     
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