UK India Pale lager

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  1. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Which breweries in the U.K. brew India Pale Lagers and are their beers available in the US? The list of IPLs on Beer Advocate are brewed mostly in the US, some in Canada, and a few in Sweden. Brew Dog has a few IPLs, any other UK breweries?
     
  2. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Our barley is much better suited for brewing ales and stouts than for lagers.Whenever a UK brewer offers a "lager" (not counting the macro breweries) it seems to end up a bit like a light mild.
     
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  3. Slam_Dunkels

    Slam_Dunkels Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2013 England

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  4. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Where are the primary barley sources in the UK? As I recall- Scotland?
     
  5. Slam_Dunkels

    Slam_Dunkels Initiate (0) Aug 8, 2013 England

    I would reckon the east of England is one.
     
  6. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    East Anglia has the perfect climate for malting barley.Although good barley can be and is grown in many areas ideal conditions are relatively localised. I have a cousin who has an arable farm only a few dozen miles north of East Anglia and he doesn't consider attempting barley for malting though he does grow it for cattle feed .
     
  7. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    what are the climate conditions? Also, does the ph value of the soil make a difference?
     
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    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    I'm not an agricultural expert but East Anglian farmers point to the lowish rainfall (the driest part of the UK) , the soil , the latitude which means long, long summer days with hours of daylight during the ripening process and lack of exreme temperatures.
    Interestingly at one time it was considered good to use some imported barley as "it needs some sunshine" but with new varieties plus the Clean Air Act (since we stopped burning coal in open fires the amount of sunlight has markedly increased) and we're now exporting barley to sunnier countries!
     
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  9. Chaz

    Chaz Grand Pooh-Bah (3,668) Feb 3, 2002 Minnesota
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    India Pale Lager -whether as a 'sub-style', or hybrid style, or bastard style or whatever-- is a new thing, indeed. But as I understand (after reading posts U.K.-based BA users, as well as meeting some brewers who grew up there, but now brew here) British drinkers really don't care for hoppy industrial lagers, so "IPL" as a distinct style may not be a "thing" there -- yet.

    There have likely been examples of American-style "hoppy" lagers brewed in the U.K. and even Ireland in the past couple of decades which were somewhere along the lines of an "IPL", but which were not marketed as such. There was a brand from a boutique brewer/vintner called "Curious Brew" (I tried the whole line) which was hoppier than your average Pils but also "dosed" with Champagne yeast! Definitely unique, and could almost fill-in for an IPL... almost.

    There are a few U.K. breweries that make it to the U.S. in bottled (and sometimes draught) form that could brew a rather nice I.P.L. if they wanted to (Samuel Smith comes to mind -- they could easily adjust the hopping in their "Pure Brewed Lager".)

    But hoppy, pale lager brewed in the U.K. need not be considered "IPL", unless perhaps a brewmaster or brewery is aiming to catch lightning in a bottle in terms of a new, American trend. In which case, wouldn't "EXPLOSIVE!" use of West Coast C-hops factor-in as the prerequisite for the style, and be more important than any other raw ingredient or step in the process?
     
  10. WhatANicePub

    WhatANicePub Zealot (712) Jul 1, 2009 Scotland

    Here we would call a hoppy pale lager a Pilsner.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    To the best of my knowledge there is no ‘official’ definition for the IPL style but all of the IPL beers that I have had to date (only a handful of beer brands) have been hoped with American aroma hops. They tasted closer to being an IPA (except with a crisp character) than a Pilsner.

    An example of an IPL that is available nationwide (I presume) is Sam Adams Double Agent IPL.

    Cheers!
     
  12. brureview

    brureview Pooh-Bah (2,803) Jan 20, 2012 Massachusetts
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    Jacks Abby in MA has a number of IPLs. They brew some of the best IPLs I have tasted. Some info on the Kiwi Rising which I recently tasted http://jacksabbybrewing.com/blog/2013/10/kiwi-rising-available-at-brewery-this-thursday-at-noon/

    A general summary of IPL is here http://jacksabbybrewing.com/blog/tag/india-pale-lager/
     
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  13. Harnkus

    Harnkus Initiate (0) Oct 31, 2013 New York

    Can't imagine that with all the great ales of England that 1) you seek an English lager 2) you seek a style that is American from an English brewers, who largely don't do lagers.
     
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