uncontrolled temperature fermentation Lager yeast

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  1. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I like to try to making Lager beer, every time I used lager yeast I end up throwing 3711 in to the fermenter, Try avoiding the risk of to high fermentation temp with lager yeast.
    What lager yeast strain can work at the high end temp range and produce rewording results ?
    Or what lager yeast strain is temp tolerate ?
     
  2. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
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  3. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    Yea I was gonna say that one too. I've fermented at 70+ with that yeast with good results.
     
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  4. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    @llanko if making quality lagers is something you wanna make (and why shouldn't you!), then I highly suggest you invest in a temp controller and fridge/freezer. No lager yeast fermented at 70f is gonna resemble a lager in my opinion. Even if you "lager" it!

    http://brewingtv.com/episodes/?currentPage=5

    Watch the lager workaround video. In fact watch every episode!!
     
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  5. Pegli

    Pegli Initiate (0) Aug 30, 2006 Rhode Island

    Swamp coolers work fine with some diligence.
     
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  6. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

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  7. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    "uncontrolled temperature fermentation"

    you've already gone wrong right there.

    "fermentation temperature control"

    now that's the path to tasty beer.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Pat, thanks for that link! That video was very informative and entertaining.

    Wyeast 2124 for the win!

    Cheers!
     
  9. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

  10. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Brewing tv will be forever missed. What a great homebrewing web series. If you type in "chop and brew" on youtube, BTV videographer chip Walton is carrying on a web series about food and homebrewing very similar to BTV.

    http://thebeerengineblog.com/about/
    The above blog is Michael Daweson's blog and is very informative and entertaining as well.

    Cheers Jack!
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Did you watch the video that psnydez86 provided a link to in his post?

    Three pseudo lagers were brewed using US-05, Wyeast 2112, and Wyeast 2124. The brewers in the video provided opinions on how each of these yeasts worked in making pseudo lager beers.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Just did, Tank you guys.
     
  13. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    I decided to use Wyeast 2124 Bohemian lager ,but my breow store didn't carry out the 2124 so I end up getting 2112.
    here's my double starter of the 2112
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  14. FarmerTed

    FarmerTed Pundit (928) May 31, 2011 Colorado

    2112 is a kickass yeast. I'm using it right now; I pitched it into a 1.063 wort at 52 F, let it warm to 55, and the fermentation was done after 4 days, with 75% apparent attenuation. I let it free-rise to 68 after about 2.5 days, when it looked like things might be slowing down, then I held it there for 4 days, did a forced diacetyl test, and am starting the lagering phase now. I've used the white labs version as well, and that seemed to kick out more H2S, and also I got a lot of diacetyl after I bottled the beer (it went away after ~10 days, though). I think I'm going to like the wyeast version a lot more.
     
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  15. bulldogbrewhaus

    bulldogbrewhaus Initiate (0) Sep 17, 2012 Virginia

    Charlie Papazian has a signature yeast strain called Cry Havoc that can ferment at ale or lager temperatures. Might be something to play around with. That being said if you want to make true lagers you will need to control the temperature.

    http://www.whitelabs.com/yeast/wlp862-cry-havoc
     
  16. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yeah, you might be able to get away with a lager yeast profile, but you won't have a lager, despite you using the yeast. Maybe a steam type beer, which... are damn good, but it's no lager.

    If you can't control temp, I'd highly say, stick to ales and yeasts that work for whatever temp you can bring to the table. Temp control is paramount in brewing good beer, lagers or ales.. period.
     
  17. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    See, a lot of people have been saying this, but steam beer or cali common IS a lager, technically. It just doesnt have a lagering step. In my book, lager yeast(sacchromyces pastoranus, sp?)=> lager. If you lager an ale its still an ale, so I would say a lager without lagering is also still a lager.

    Now to the OP,"What lager yeast strain can work at the high end temp range and produce rewording results ?"
    Look no further than the first post in this topic. California Lager yeast does everything you are asking. The resulting beer will still be a lager, it just might not have the characteristics of more traditional lagers. However, it also won't have the off-flavors of other lagers fermented at high temps.
     
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  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Sure, like I said, it'll work out and have the yeast flavor/profile, it's it's no lager.

    If you use ale yeast, and lager it, it's still an ale. Sure... The yeast isn't going to do any more work.

    If you use a lager yeast and use it at high temps and don't lager, it's not a damn lager. It's a cali common/steam, if you used the correct strain to do so.

    Lager yeast still needs the lagering phase..

    Lagering is important. I wanted to get that out there so some newbies don't come around thinking they can use some 2178 or something and brew up a good pilsner at 65 degrees and let it sit for 4 weeks in their garage. Not happening.
     
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  19. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I have used 34/70 at 66 degrees. The beer was very clean.
     
  20. Ilanko

    Ilanko Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2012 New York

    Are we talking Saflager W34/70 Dry Yeast ? Did you rehydrate and make a starter ?
    I already brow with Wyeast 2112 and it's live and kicking.
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