Update: Leaving Feedback When Nothing Has Shipped

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by Todd, Jan 19, 2018.

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  1. Xeal

    Xeal Zealot (603) Mar 5, 2016 New York
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    I don't think that's the point here. In your situation you would just not open a trade ticket and excuse yourself from the trade if you're getting bad vibes. This would be after both parties agreed to an amicable trade and a ship by date.

    For example, sometimes trades are done for a prerelease where a trade is set on Wednesday but the brewery doesn't release until Saturday. A trade ticket is opened to lock it in. Person A goes to the brewery and buys all the beer for the trade but then the other party changes his mind and Person A is left with $ out of pocket on beer he wasn't planning on buying.
     
  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Feedback can only be left if a trade has been proposed and accepted here on BA. Hopefully you've gotten your "feeling" about the trader before you've accepted a trade.
     
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  3. Janeinma

    Janeinma Initiate (0) May 24, 2009 Massachusetts

    hopefully but not always. The only regrets I have ever had was when I went through with trades that I was uneasy with and that point didnt always come before the trade was accepted.
     
  4. Janeinma

    Janeinma Initiate (0) May 24, 2009 Massachusetts

    not arguing that as it wasnt my point, different argument.
     
  5. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Were these for trades that people were lining up to make? I guess I'm not sure why you would accept before you are comfortable. I've only had 1 trade completed where there was 2-3 messages exchanged. All the rest must have had at least 10+ before we ever got to the "send a trade request" step, and very little of that is negotiating, mostly it's conversation or sharing lists, etc.
     
  6. Janeinma

    Janeinma Initiate (0) May 24, 2009 Massachusetts

    years ago now when I started, these days a) I trade with friends I have made and b) I have more experience. one time in talking someone bought a bottle for me prematurely and I wasnt feeling the trade (not here not accepted) so I paypaled them for the bottle and told them to drink it themself, I wouldnt let anyone lose money.
     
  7. Radcpa

    Radcpa Pooh-Bah (2,065) Oct 20, 2015 Washington
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Disappointed
    When is an agreement not a meaningful agrement. When you trade on BA. Very Sad.
     
  8. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    This rule change makes the agreement a meaningful agreement. If you agree and the other person backs out you can now leave feedback. Unless I misunderstood your post.
     
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  9. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
    Mod Team Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    If you have a chance (and of course only if you're interested), you might want to take a look at some of the previous Bad Trader threads. I understand what you're saying I think, but I don't think your experience is the type of thing the community is trying to prevent.

    The sort of problem we're seeing more and more of, are situations where there is good communication on both sides (initially at least), and after fairly extensive conversation, both sides agree to trade certain beers. Typically, where the problem develops is when one person ships beer and the other one doesn't (or ships much later than originally promised), or when one of the traders expends considerable time and money on obtaining beers to fulfill the trade, and then the other trader backs out. The latter situation is what the recent change is aimed at quelling, as we felt like we were starting to see too many situations where someone was simply shopping around for the best deal, or for whatever reason got cold feet at the last moment (in one situation, the BT had mistakenly tried to obtain a beer that he hadn't realized was readily available in his area. Once he learned he could obtain that beer much more readily and cheaply than in the trade he had agreed upon, he ceased all communication with his trading partner, and backed out of the trade. In another situation, someone who had agreed to an IP trade in a different state, sent their out of state trading partner to a fictitious address.). In the past, strictly speaking, those situations would not have represented Bad Trade scenarios (as no beer was actually ever "shipped"), and it would not have been possible to leave negative feedback. Now it is.
     
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  10. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    What are the appreciate steps when a trader backs out of a deal and then leaves feedback for me that’s not accurate?
     
  11. jhavs

    jhavs Grand Pooh-Bah (3,587) Apr 16, 2015 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    You should message one of the Moderators and let them know what happened, they will instruct you for any further actions.
     
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  12. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
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    Was it retaliatory feedback? If so, that is grounds for a banning. Also, can you provide more details on the other traders beef.
     
  13. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    This seems to be a hypothetical you are posing and not an actual situation.

    If you back out of a trade and feel you were in the right and then the other trader leaves you bad feedback, you can always contact a moderator to sort the problem out and offer a ruling. You could also post a general thread in the beer trading forum for feedback from the community - however, if you take this option, be willing to hear feedback that you may actually deserve the bad feedback. Whatever you do, I would not just leave bad feedback in response to the feedback received since that could constitute retaliatory feedback and get you banned.

    If the other trader backs out of a trade - I would be surprised if they left you bad feedback unless it was retaliatory feedback to bad feedback from you. Again, in a situation like that where retaliatory feedback is suspected, contact a moderator and ask for assistance.
     
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  14. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    At the time of the trade, he had 0 completed trades so I asked him to ship first. He agreed and accepted the trade in the system. After accepting, he asked if I’d be willing to split the trade into two smaller shipments where we ship the first one at the same time. I said no because I didn’t want to pay shipping twice and I still wanted him to ship first. A few days later he said he didn’t want to do the trade. He left me neutral feedback and said that I wasn’t willing to work with him on shipping.
     
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  15. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Ah, I see now. Yea, I would contact a moderator and get some feedback from them - may even warrant a thread in the general beer trading forum. I don't want to highjack this thread with discussion of this specific case so Ill reserve any further comment.
     
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  16. Bignastyfrog

    Bignastyfrog Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2013 Connecticut
    Trader

    Maybe a dumb question: how do you leave feedback if the other member agrees in messages, but then never accepts the trade request you sent and ghosts the day of an IP trade?
     
  17. jrnyc

    jrnyc Grand Pooh-Bah (3,012) Mar 21, 2010 New York
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    You can't, too late now, but you should have not agreed to meet in person until it was accepted, but I understand why you did. D-bag move if someone intentionally didn't show without good reason. Not sure if calling person out on a thread is cool or not.
     
  18. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Pooh-Bah (2,698) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I think IP is a tough one. Everything has to be coordinated just right - like a message saying "I can meet at this time at this place. If that works for you, go ahead and accept the trade request." Otherwise, you almost HAVE to agree to a time and location before the request because how else do you know you can do an IP trade?
     
  19. Bignastyfrog

    Bignastyfrog Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2013 Connecticut
    Trader

    A day and place were agreed to. Agreed on a range on time. Texted to confirm a specific time in that range day before. Guy ghosts. Never a response, no 'sorry', nada.
     
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