Using 6-row and flaked corn

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    LOL!

    I am pretty sure that no commercial brewery would use that acronym to market this sort of beer.

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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I really don't know. I tried to obtain an online image of a YCH branded bag but...

    Below is from the YCH website:

    "As we approach the holidays and the end of 2015, we reflect on and celebrate our first full year as Yakima Chief – YCH Hops. Among the many exciting changes that we experienced these past 12 months, we are pleased to announce the release of our newly redesigned, YCH HOPS home brew packaging."

    So maybe the HopUnion bags are from 2015?

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  3. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    They were running through the bag material inventory last fall. I have started to see bags with the YCH logo at the LHBS.

    It was Yakima Chief that merged with Hopunion. FYI, YCH is owned by a group of hop growers. Can't remember, but it was 8 to 10+ farms. YCH has competitors. Barth Haas and BSG have facilities in Yakima too.
     
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  4. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    No idea what type of materials are used other than that the hops (at least the leaf hops, I haven't bought pellet hops yet) are packaged in vaccum sealed bags of 100 grams each (which the supplier packages themselves after importing the hops).

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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    The hop package has the appearance of mylar to me and the fact that it is vacuum packed is a big plus. If you store that package at freezer temperatures (e.g., -18 degrees C) those hops will last a pretty long time.

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  6. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I decided to go with the Cascades for bittering and Hallertau Mittelfrüh for flavoring, along with the 6 row pilsner malt from Castle Malting and flaked corn from Briess. Yeast used will be US 05. I'm thinking about going with a three stage hop addition, maybe two fifths at 1.5 hours, another two fifths at 1 hour and another fifth at 5 minutes. The Cascade hops would be used for the first two (bittering) and the Hallertauer for the last.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Patrik, FWIW I only conduct a one hour boil when I brew with North American 6-row malt. I have never read about DMS being an issue with this malt and I have never experienced DMS when using 6-row malt.

    Needless to say but I have zero experience with the Castle malt you are using.

    The other thought is that you might want to dry hop with the Hallertau Mittelfruh if you enjoy the aroma of this hop. I personally greatly enjoy the aroma of Halleratu Mittelfruh so I dry hop my CAP beers accordingly.

    Good luck with your CACA!!

    Cheers!
     
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  8. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    I'm using a longer boil partly to aid in achieving the correct original gravity, and figure I might as well throw in the first hops early in the boil to simulate an older commercial 1.5-2 hour boil, whether it actually makes a difference or not flavorwise.

    I've thought about dry hopping this beer but from what I have gathered so far it doesn't seem clear that dry hopping would have been used for a typical cream ale/sparkling ale so I'm going instead with what I understand to be a typical American hopping schedule from back in the day. I might go with only kettle hops for this batch and see what the results are flavorwise.

    I haven't used dry-hopping yet and I'm wondering how to go about it, I've thought about simply throwing in some leaf hops into the fermentation bucket for the last week or so, but I've thought about whether I need to do anything to ensure that the hops are submerged. Getting a muslin type bag seems simple enough, but what to weigh it down with? I just envision whatever weight I put in it rusting or otherwise giving off flavors to the beer.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I dry hop frequently but I use pellet hops. I use a muslin bag which I weigh down with glass marbles. I sanitize the bag and marbles by putting them in a pot which I bring to a boil. I remove the bag/marbles and let them cool a bit, add the pellet hops and then into the primary bucket they go.

    I have read posts where folks who use leaf just let it float without a bag. You could use a muslin bag for the leaf hops as well, just weigh them down with glass marbles.

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  10. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    It's time to taste test my Cream Ale after 2 weeks in the bottle and I'm mostly pleased with the results. Appearance-wise it's hazy with plenty of visible particulate matter and the sediment wasn't as caked at the bottom as was the case with my previous batches at a similar age in the bottle. Aroma and flavorwise I am quite pleased however. The aroma and flavor are dominated by the Hallertauer hops, the smell and taste is in line with my previous batches using this hop, but there's definitely more of a body which might be due to the slightly higher mashing temperature (68C) than I have achieved/maintained in the past (possibly also the result of the corn as far as giving it a slight sweetness?). OG was 1.055, but I didn't measure the FG prior to bottling, something which I might have to reconsider for future batches but since it has worked so far I've gotten into the habit of not doing it. The bitterness is quite pronounced and the hops are definitely present, and the finish is dry, but it also feels more substantial than previous batches and that contributes to a greater sense of balance. So it wont get high marks for appearance, but as far as flavor goes I count this one as a success and it's a recipe I would revisit again.
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Patrik, that beer looks and sounds tasty to me.

    Good job!!

    Cheers!

    Jack

    P.S.You have a great head on that beer! I posted a picture of my latest batch of CAP in the last New Beer Sunday thread:

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