Using Maple for a stout - advice

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  1. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I have read many threads about using maple on both BA and other sites and based on that, along with what is available to me I plan to use one of the below methods. What method and or advice would you recommend? Also, I have some questions about the methods.

    1) adding Maple to the keg. I plan to let the beer condition for an extended period of time, cold condition and add gelatin. My thought is to get out as much yeast as possible so it won’t ferment the maple.

    The two questions I have on this is 1) how much maple should I add 2) should I brew a beer with a higher finished gravity in case the maple does ferment out so I don’t end up with a dry stout

    2) maple infused spirals. How much and how long to let the beer sit on the spirals? The website I found doesn’t specify the weight of the spirals. The description is a pack of two and could take up to 6 weeks. Does aging the beer cold versus warm impact how fast the beer absorbs the oak/maple flavor?

    Should I do both? Only downside is adding both is costs. Maple is $20-$30 and the spirals with shipping is @$20

    I haven’t built the recipe yet but I was thinking of doing more of a breakfast stout with coffee. Should I skip the coffee in case the coffee overpowers any subtle maple taste that does come through?

    Thanks for any advice/help. Cheers.
     
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  2. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    What ABV are you shooting for?
     
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  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    8- 8.5%
     
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  4. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Would it work if you add the maple to the keg when the beer is cold so it doesn't ferment. I would also skip the gelatin.
     
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  5. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Yeah that’s my thought. Condition it and transfer it cold.

    Why skip gelatin? I always use gelatin on any none hazy/ne style ipas. I’ve always had good results with it. Clears my beers perfectly.
     
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  6. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Add sorbate with the maple to stabilize and prevent further fermentation. Yeast hates sorbate real bad and would rather lie down and sleep than ferment in presence of sorbate.
     
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  7. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Yeah at 8-8.5% if you added it to the keg and kept it cold you’re good. If it was say closer to say 12% I don’t think you’d even need to keep it cold. You could fine it or cold age it, both work. Personally I’d maybe add it twice. Reduce some down until it’s so unbelievabky thick and add it at WP or during fermentation. Then add it to the keg if you need more.
     
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  8. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    That's where i'm confused. You want to clear a stout.
     
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  9. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    He probably wants the least amount of yeast in the beer as possible to minimize refermentation as much as possible.
     
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  10. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    I'd put new grade robust flavor maple syrup I. A secondary or after primary ferment is done and add a spiral of sugar maple wood to the keg. Not maple infused. Properly aged sugar maple wood will give a lot of maple flavor by itself with no fermenting?

    Don't know how long the stout would be good seeing I have left maple wood in no longer that 4 weeks.
     
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  11. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Just to expand on this a little, the grading system changed a few years ago. The old system prized light color over other qualities, which had come to be an outdated way of thinking about what makes for high quality syrup. (Under the old grading system, a lot of people said, "B is Best," because Grade B had a more robust maple flavor than Grade A. This was confusing to anyone who took the letter grades literally.) The old grades were done away with entirely (or I guess strictly speaking, they were all merged into "Grade A"), and now the labeling uses words to differentiate the syrup by color and degree of flavor/robustness.

    So what I think GormBrewhouse is suggesting is to use syrup labeled "Dark Color and Robust Flavor," which roughly corresponds to old Grade B. This makes sense because old Grade A, which is now known as "Golden Color and Delicate Taste," would contribute relatively little in the way of maple flavor. And even "Amber Color and Rich Flavor" would probably not provide as much character as you are looking for.

    [Edited to add a clarification: I'm simplifying the correspondence between the new grades and the old ones, it is actually more complicated than I indicated, but I think these details can be ignored.]
     
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  12. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    I am interested in this kind of thing too and without going to adding maple when kegging, I have thought about using spirals. A guy in my homebrew club did a quarter spiral for 3 weeks and it was more woody than maple in many peoples opinions. It was still good, but I am interested in what kind of maple wood gets the best maple flavor.
     
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  13. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Exactly as @wasatchback stated to try and clear as much yeast out as possible to prevent it from fermenting the maple. I am not overly concerned with a clear stout even though I think the more partials that can be removed from suspension the better to create a cleaner beer. However, if I wasn’t using maple I would skip the gelatin.
     
  14. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    So the only thing I can find is maple infused spirals like the one here: https://www.farmhousebrewingsupply.com/sugar-maple-infusion-spirals-2-pack-light-toast/

    Well at least I think they are maple infused.
     
  15. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    I'd be surprised if those are non-maple spirals that are infused with sugar maple "essence". It's more likely they're made from sugar maple and spiral-cut to increase surface area and enhance 'infusing' the sugar maple characteristics to whatever liquid.
    If wood chips/cube made for grilling/smoking would work they're available on ebay and Amazon.
     
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  16. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    That makes sense because it says “infusion” versus “infused”.
     
  17. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I've always wanted to try putting the keg in hot water to kill the yeast but i'm not sure if this would be dangerous or screw the beer up.
     
  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Yes, nicely done Mr Mindbender.

    New grading system aledgidly used to increase sales. I never had a problem selling my product with the old system.
     
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  19. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    I’ve read of old German breweries who would do this. A sorta slow pasteurization. Something like 40 min. at 60°C. I used to have a pasteurization time/temp chart around here...

    The primary concern would be speeding up staling by heat exposure. Heat damages beer pretty quickly. There’s a reason people use flash pasteurization nowadays. Still, if you ever do it, I’d be curious to hear the results!
     
  20. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    OP, for a beer that size, I’d recommend dosing in the keg. Removing as much yeast as you can and adding sulfites will help, but loading sugar in an unpasteurized beer is just asking for refermentation.
    I’d recommend fining in your fermenter and then racking the brite beer to the keg. Hook up the co2 to the beverage port, bubble co2 through, and add some syrup. Taste and add more if you feel like it needs it. You can age in your kegerator, but you are probably good to drink immediately.
     
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