Using Port in Beer

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  1. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Google gives me too many hits about Pizza Port Brewing and not much about brewing with Port. I'm aware some pros have brewed Port barrel beers. I'm more interesting in hearing about a homebrew that dumped Port in a beer. Has anyone here done it?


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    The beer will be a Belgian Dubbel made with Westmalle yeast. The plan is to use 2oz of French oak and an undetermined amount of Port. I'm thinking a pint of Port should do the trick.
     
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  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    never done it or heard of anyone doing it.

    1 pint for 5 gallons? I'm trying to figure out what it would taste like in a Dubbel. You have a recipe in mind? Are you using real port (porto) like your pic or something else?
     
  3. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Yes sir, real Port. Probably the exact Port in the picture. 5.5 gallons of wort. The beer recipe hasn't been completed. The grain bill will be similar to a typical Dubbel, but slightly more fancy / less minimal.
     
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  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Bookmarked. I am also considering brewing up a port infused beer.
     
  5. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    This is something I definitely plan on doing eventually, probably with an imperial stout but maybe a barleywine. In fact, I'd love to split a batch 3 or 4 ways and experiment with port, rum, scotch and maybe some others. I've done bourbon and apple brandy soaked oak so far but I'm relatively happy with the results. Boil the oak cubes, soak them in the spirit for 1-4 weeks, add oak and spirit to beer in secondary.

    Your ratios seem pretty spot on. For 5 gal of a 12% stout, I did 17oz bourbon and 2oz oak. Happy with the flavor, but I had to take the beer off the oak after 1 or 2 weeks to avoid it overpowering the rest of the flavors. I'd consider either boiling the oak longer to take out some of the harsher flavors, or using less and letting it sit longer.
     
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  6. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Personally, I'm looking at throwing it in a Old Ale.
     
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  7. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Tried Foley Brothers imperial maple brown ale a couple days ago. The ale was in a Tawny Port Barrel for several months before botteling. It was tremendous. Since I,m not going to buy a barrel, any sugestions on which port to blend in. I have no knowledge on ports.
     
  8. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    One thing I'm taking into consideration is Port is a "fortified" wine. It's basically wine that had grape brandy added to it for the purpose of halting fermentation and it has a significant residual sweetness. Port is a nice drink to sip occasionally. I like to buy a bottle to get me through the winter. The abv is typically 20%. If the Port is a "tawny" Port, it has been barrel aged and oxidized for many years.

    I believe the Westmalle yeast will consume most or all of the residual sweetness of the Port. If some of the residual sweetness is passed to the beer, I won't complain. The beer will likely finish around 1.008 with the Port unless it contains some complex sugars that 3787 can't munch.

    When I drink cheap Port, it reminds me of a heavy dose of Special B. Raisins, dark fruits, burnt sugar. Cheap-ish Ports aren't bad and would likely be fine for use in a beer. Expensive Ports can be exquisite compared to the cheaper Ports. I think it would be a waste of money to dump $50 worth of Port into a beer.

    I will likely move forward with this Oaked Port Dubbel and will update this thread with results within the next month or two.
     
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  9. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    My best guess after consuming Ports priced from $10 a bottle to $100 a bottle is to aim for the $20-$30 a bottle Ports.
     
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  10. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Betty, I'm like you in that I like to keep a bottle of port around to 'get through the winter.' If you are set on using the one that you pictured above, go for it. If you are looking for other suggestions, then one that I've is this one. http://store.nexternal.com/browinery/dessert-wine-c9.aspx The price certainly is right for experimentation without blowing a wad of dough. I have never noticed the aged one that is also on that page and have not tried it, so I can't comment on it.

    Looking forward to seeing how your beer turns out.
     
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  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    A LBV (late bottled vintage) port might be nice as well. Those frequently come across as more "jammy" vs. a regular port.

    I hope this thread will be updated because I would never have thought of using port in a beer and now I am very intrigued :slight_smile:
     
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  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I will most likely brew it and update the thread in a month or two.
     
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  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    One thing I've noticed with cubes is a shorter contact time such as 1-2 weeks tends to produce harsher results and longer contact times such as 1-2 months produce smoother and generally tastier results. That seems counter intuitive, but results trump intuition for me.

    I boil the cubes for 10 minutes and soak them in booze. Sometimes I don't use booze at all. The boiling seems to reduce the rougher aspects of the charred cubes without sacrificing flavor and aroma.
     
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  14. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Interested in your results. I can't think of a better style of beer to try this with than a dubbel.
     
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  15. Davl22

    Davl22 Maven (1,341) Sep 27, 2011 New Hampshire
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    I used a bottle of Justin Obtuse Port to soak a spiral in before adding it to a Flanders red. I'm really happy with the results. Would definitely love to hear how your dubbel comes out.
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You might want to look at the Kate the Great thread at that other forum.
     
  17. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    Have only had a few but love the results and concept. I actually think a double is the perfect vehicle. Keep us posted and I will try something similar and post the results.
     
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  18. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    Personally, I would say to soak the oak in the port for a couple weeks minimum, then add the cubes (chips, whatever) to the beer in secondary, reserving the port. Once you get the oak flavor you want, or close to it, you can then add the port to the beer, tasting frequently, to get that edge of the flavor.
    I would stick with the "lower" end ones. I personally like a 10-year tawny I get at Trader Joe's for about $16 a bottle. It a good split between a good port and affordability (obviously it doesn't stand up the the $60, $70 or multi-hundred dollar ones, but it's quite good.
     
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  19. tkdchampxi

    tkdchampxi Pooh-Bah (2,473) Oct 19, 2010 New Jersey
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    I've done it with a part of a batch of a stout I made (FBS clone). I did not brew the beer with the purpose of putting stout into the whole batch. Almost all of the Port sugar was fermented off, leaving a kinda weird fruity flavor mixed with the coffee stout flavors. Not the best, but I could imagine a better base stout that would work.

    I prefer just spiking a portion of my stout with Port, but I imagine this could work really well if you could stop fermentation, so the Port does not ferment out completely.
     
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  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin


    Do you recall how much port you used and which brand?
     
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