Vino vs. beer

A clergyman doesn't become one because he likes walking around in frocks , it's because he is a committed believer so you can't expect him to tell you God doesn't exist.
A climatologist is also convinced of man made climate change , he's not going to slave away to prove that it isn't happening and so put himself out of a job. So both examples are the wrong people to ask for a balanced and dispassionate opinion on their subjects.
That isn't the same as asking a doctor whether or not you have cancer.

 

1 and 2 of your list I can accept but 3, 4 and 5 I cannot totally accept. In regard to disparate flavor appearing in beer vs in wine I'll remind you that you can have hyper acidic white wines like Sancerre, or dark gooey sherries that taste like raisins, molasses and caramel, or honeyed dessert wines, or herbed wine in addition to the more familiar Cabernet, Riesling, etc.
Your fourth point is totally wrong. Popular styles like IPA range from roughly from 6% to high sevens and are served in a 16 oz pint glass. Your average wine is 12% w/ pours ranging from 4-6oz. So even at the high end serving size for wine the alcohol/serving of wine is less.
And your fifth point well wine isn't produced via a recipe like beer. Wine depends upon the crop and what the winemaker can do w/ the fruit he's given. The "inconsistency" in wine isn't a function of poor quality control it's a function of the nature of process. Some find that "inconsistency" to be interesting.

 

"Tried enough from various styles to countries of origin to know what I like. Wine freaks tell me because I like sweet wines, my taste is stunted/ignorant just makes me hope I don't come off so condescending when explain why I like craft beer vice BMC"

So to be clear if someone claimed that they had enough experience w/ beer to make a judgment on its merits (versus wine) and that their experience w/ beer resulted in them liking only BMC wouldn't that give you some pause in regard their judgement? It would give me pause.

 

Last time I visited there were some great bargains there...

 

This whole idea that ultimate rated wines are the creme of the crop is a loud of bunk, I have luckily on the occasion had high "scored" wines in the 97-98 point range, and often was not impressed although they were good.

You're better off saving your dosh and buying wines that you enjoy, that more than likely will score in the low 90s. There are even bargains out there you just have to look for them (as one wine person I know was raving about a Spanish rated 96 Rioja which was going online for 12 bucks.)

Beer hasn't gotten to that point yet, and I hope it never does, there's too much great beer out there and that's a great problem to be had right now.

The last thing we need is an elitist club scoring what they think should be exclusive high numbers, which only is available to people who can drop 2-5000 bucks a case on it...

 

What is the price at cost?
This is certainly another difference between beer and wine as resale of beer is a big taboo here.

It is exactly the same as any quack or anti-vaxxer. It's the baseless disregard of an entire body of science due to personal bias and some bogus inductive reasoning, coupled with regarding expertise as a disqualifying factor rather than a necessary one.

 

The fact that life expectancy has climbed steadily must reflect at least in part on medical advances.Some drugs do actually work well, some dramatically so. Others don't always benefit the patient , a decent doctor will spot this though.But doctors do search for the truth, the others I mentioned search for anything they can find which reinforces their beliefs.

 

Be careful, that over-extracted, over-ripe, tasting more like Syrah than Pinot probably won't age well.

 

They age incredible and have the track record (and my cellar) to prove it. I've attended Pinot Days in San Francisco for every year of it's existence and I can definitely attest that Kosta Browne is not at the front of the Syrah style, they are relatively moderate in that regard. There are a few new producers who made their name from KB bottlings, such as Kanzler Vineyard, who do tend to push ripeness.
RichardMNixon: I am on the KB allocation list, so I get them at the winery price.

 

This was tongue in cheek- Dan Kosta is a friend.

 

Also though I still take beer over wine, I feel that most people do not know the range of wine. I like varieties such as Aglianico Del Vulture from my grandpa's region, and Nero D'Avola from Sicily, as well as Vin Santo give a much broader picture of the range.

 

Champagne is actually why I said all. That and lots of adulterated California wines. Great wines can never be recreated. There will never be another 2006 Clos de Papes, 82 Lafite, 98 Comtes des Champagne, etc. Ever.

I agree that lots of beer people are narrow minded when it comes to wine but what can you do. I see a lot of wine people getting into beer with a very open mind and without being snobs. I will admit that its very amusing watching a beer snob and wine snob trying to outsnob each other.

 

Few things to keep in mind-
Wines are not always ready to drink. High scoring gems may need 20 years of aging to be at their peak. I recently had a 2001 Brunello, very highly rated, that wasn't even close to being ready although it tasted great.

Also, who rated the wine? High scores from Parker usually mean big "monolithic" wines. If that's not your thing, you just won't like them. Bevmo has their own wine rating critic on payroll. Wilfred Wong. That's why you might see a $8 bottle at BevMo with a 92 score. And of course a high score doesn't always mean a good wine. I only follow WA, WS, and Suckling to read the tasting notes to see if a wine might be my style.

 

The movie would be hilarious, along the lines of 'Sideways". Might have to work on that script. Plenty of fodder in this neck o' the woods.

 

"I see your cabernet's notes of roasted meat and raise you horse blanket!"

 

"Read 'em and weep. My brett's there on purpose".

 

I think that it is easier to find good (not great or excellent) wines at a fairly reasonable price than it is to find good beer at a reasonable price.

That said I am NOT nearly as “into” wines and the craft of making them as I am with beer. If there were such a thing as Wine Advocate, I assume the wines I drink (and enjoy) would be rated in the 3s and hardly ever make it to a 4 or above.

In other words, I am very satisfied drinking an average local wine while I doubt that I would enjoy a comparable quality beer on a regular basis.

 

"Champagne is actually why I said all. That and lots of adulterated California wines. Great wines can never be recreated. There will never be another 2006 Clos de Papes, 82 Lafite, 98 Comtes des Champagne, etc. Ever."

The vast vast majority of wine consumed is not age worthy but for everyday drinking. These all time great wines you describe probably aren't accessible financially to (or ever tasted by) 99% of wine drinkers. Wine that most wine drinkers have everyday are basically reproducible.

 

You should do a search. A guy named Robert Parker started The Wine Advocate and he's the planet's heaviest hitter among wine critics. He's also turned me on to some pretty spectacular wineries.

 

"Champagne is actually why I said all. That and lots of adulterated California wines. Great wines can never be recreated. There will never be another 2006 Clos de Papes, 82 Lafite, 98 Comtes des Champagne, etc. Ever."

The vast vast majority of wine consumed is not age worthy but for everyday drinking. These all time great wines you describe probably aren't accessible financially to (or ever tasted by) 99% of wine drinkers. Wine that most wine drinkers have everyday are basically reproducible.