Violent Shaking + Yeast Cake = Higher OG?

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  1. esv

    esv Initiate (0) May 26, 2005 Virginia

    1st recipe OG 1.66 (target 1.071).

    I brewed the same recipe today, but left out the specialty grain (1.25lbs Carapils (Dextrine Malt) (US) and 1.25lbs Carastan 30L.) The target OG was still 1.071 per brewtoad.

    I pitched today's batch on top of the 1st recipe's yeast cake (I am no interested in people's views about this process except as it pertains to my question).

    Question:

    Would sediment from the yeast cake, when thoroughly mixed, change the gravity reading? Should I wait till it's settled a bit (I shook it vigorously)?

    OG was 1.079.

    Thanks!
     
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  2. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    It's making the wort denser so it will impact OG, though I imagine minutely.

    I always check my OG directly from the kettle so I don't have to worry about such things
     
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  3. esv

    esv Initiate (0) May 26, 2005 Virginia

    That makes sense, I can't tell how much I need to top-off till I put it in my ferment bucket though. I guess I should mark the inside of my brew-kettle?
     
  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    The issue with measuring your OG outside of the kettle is primarily foam. As you mentioned, a kettle measurement would only work with a full volume boil (unless you are willing to calculate the dilution)

    I think you could go two ways besides calculating, either gently pour the wort and top off water into primary and measure after the foam subsides, or invest in a wine thief to take a gravity sample after dilution
     
  5. esv

    esv Initiate (0) May 26, 2005 Virginia

    You are exactly right. The foam is a huge pain, even the wine thief ends up foamy. I used a refractometer for the first time today. Picked it up at a yard sale. It seems like it's going to make things much easier but I used a hydrometer today too as a double check.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Particulates in solution will influence hydrometer readings. This statement reflects my experience with soil particle size analyses. While I am sure that the premise extends to yeast cells and hulls in solutions, I'd need to think more to evaluate if it should have the impact you think you are seeing. I suspect it should, but it would depend on the mass of the yeast cake. A 10% beer and limited lighting impair my ability to do calculations on a cocktail napkin, at the moment. That, and I don't actually have a cocktail napkin. Or a pen.
     
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Check. That should say "particulates in suspension," not solution.
     
  8. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Just let the sample in the flask/hydrometer sit for about 15-20 minutes to drop sediment, decant off into new hydrometer, and take reading.
     
  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I have just made notches in the back of my brew spoon for every gallon of volume in my kettle. You can use a piece of CPVC, or whatever you like. You can also do an acid engraving on the inside of your kettle.


    Additional thoughts:

    If you remove carapils and L30 malt your OG should drop.

    If you overpitch, as you pitched on a yeast cake, you might see a lower FG as well.
     
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