Visiting Tillamook, Summer 2017 Update

Discussion in 'Pacific' started by deGardebrewing, Feb 11, 2017.

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  1. LockeNess33

    LockeNess33 Initiate (0) Feb 2, 2016 Oregon

    I have no idea what that is, but I can infer. Now with this sort of talk I was thinking I might as well give it a shot. Worst case scenario I decide to not take advantage of any of the other membership perks that include interfacing with other people and just pay a little more than usual for some world-class beers. Oops, too late ... they already closed it down, ha. Serves me right for being indecisive.

    I would be curious to know how many total entries they ended up receiving.
     
  2. NedStarkravingmad

    NedStarkravingmad Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2015 Washington

    Is this where we come to bitch about Trevor not hand-delivering a personalized edible arrangement (no honeydew, it's a rubbish filler melon) announcing that they will be our keepers valentine? Just getting ready.


    I kid, I kid. Heart you all, and especially @deGardebrewing, see you guys soon. Will buy any of the folks on this thread a beer if our paths cross at dG this weekend, and because their pours are so reasonably priced, I'll probably even get your second.
     
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  3. Dil_thebeerdrinking_do

    Dil_thebeerdrinking_do Savant (1,192) Jan 21, 2014 Georgia
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    So is it unlikely they're doing first come first serve?
     
  4. guajolote

    guajolote Maven (1,359) Sep 12, 2008 Oregon

    This is the most laughable thing I've read on the internet all day, and I've spent most of it reading about the Trump administration. Jesus.
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    If that's how you see it, I can understand that and I think that's fine. I'm not going to try to convince you to see this in any other way. However, I've explained why I personally do not feel you should factor in those other "benefits" in determining the value of club membership. I understand that you don't agree. As I've said before, this would be a pretty boring old world if we all agreed on everything.

    I was actually having a similar discussion the other day with a few friends about the HF club. This was in the context of the dG club. As I understand it, you have to pay $100 up front just to be a member of the reserve club, which as I understand it, gives you priority when it comes to purchasing individual bottles. Essentially, you're purchasing a hunting license, which allows you onto the preserve (so to speak). If I understood the discussion correctly, if there are leftover bottles after reserve club members get theirs, then HF will sometimes sell the leftovers out of the general store, but reserve members get first pick of the litter. My take is that the $100 reserve club fee should be factored into the cost of the HF reserve bottles. In other words, if you buy $500 worth of bottles over the course of the year, you actually paid $600 for those bottles, not $500. My friends didn't see it that way, and their feeling was that I should try to see the dG club in the context of the HF arrangement. In other words, consider the first $100 (or whatever fee seems reasonable) as the cost of club membership, which would then make the cost of the 8 bottles and special glass just $160. While they agreed one could argue that that still wasn't exactly a deal when compared to previous dG prices, it certainly made the whole club membership cost seem a lot more palatable (especially by East Cost price standards, where these were folks from).

    Just to step back for a moment... As I indicated previously, this is just my opinion, and is how I personally see the new club pricing arrangement. I don't have any personal animus towards Trevor and dG, and as I mentioned previously, I'm sure the club will do just fine. That being said, I'll be curious to hear what local BA members think about the club after a year or two, and what they have to say about the additional benefits alluded to by Trevor (the tours, special tastings, etc.). If pretty much everyone is pleased as punch, says it's a great deal and that they couldn't be happier, then I'll happily eat my words and gladly admit I was mistaken (as I also mentioned above, I have plenty of experience with that sort of thing).
     
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  6. vurt

    vurt Grand Pooh-Bah (4,504) Apr 11, 2004 Oregon
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    Given the speed at which all the Brews for New Avenues events sold out this year, I am convinced that this is a growing segment of the beer universe. Maybe even a rapidly growing segment.
     
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  7. deGardebrewing

    deGardebrewing Initiate (0) May 3, 2013 Oregon

    I don't think this is nearly an exhaustive list from the last day and a half of the things that could be taken poorly, but here's my take away;

    We aren't and haven't increased our prices through this membership. I feel like this shouldn't have had to be said and repeated ad nauseum by myself and others. Value the beer at $0. Value the glass at $0. Value the tour/tasting at $0.
    You are left with the ability to order beer from wherever you are, and we will store that beer for up to three months, which excepting special circumstances, is NOT a perk wineries offer. I cannot apparently restate enough the fact that this particular aspect is removing 17% of our barrel capacity. BUT, it saves folks a LOT of time and money by not having to drive out here every time a beer releases.

    I can not and should not have to restate the fact that because of THE REQUESTS OF CUSTOMERS, we have taken on the payroll cost of an additional $85,000 in wages and benefits to facilitate running this membership for A FEW HUNDRED PEOPLE.

    If this has zero value to any particular person, then I can repeat what I have been already repeatedly saying, "this does not equivocally benefit you," "that is ok," and "no membership is going to be great for every person."

    I said one sentence about the tour/tasting, and that we are excited about offering it. We are offering it by reservation to members on dates that THEY choose, so that everyone can hopefully enjoy it as part of a very small group. If that is bragging or trying to sell it as you have repeated, I guess I apologize. Wineries too include that in their costs in one way or another.

    I'm done with this after this post. Our brewery shouldn't be defined by this, and this is a no-win situation. I will appear to be "selling" this membership to many. This is not my intention as most will know, but rather to have a dialogue with our regional beer folk.
    What I would love is for the moderator of a regional beer board/forum to be the normally rational person that I know him to be, and not continue to make assertions about myself and our brewery that are disparaging and/or discernably false.
     
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  8. Joshbiir

    Joshbiir Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2016 Washington

    Fwiw this is a huge benefit to me personally and I really appreciate it. Not just the gas to Tillamook aspect, but the living my life around release calendar aspect.

    The ability to say wow that looks like an amazing beer, order it, and then take a trip down in a few weeks instead of tomorrow. I get to not worry about lines and showing up at opening worrying if it will run out when I'm third in line? Yes please!
     
  9. ewendel

    ewendel Crusader (476) Feb 12, 2008 Washington
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    Completely agree, and I personally have to plan my trips from Seattle down to Tillamook & the Oregon coast well in advance of any foreknowledge of releases. Two times just in the past few months I've effectively planned and taken trips down with my wife either a week too early, or a week too late. Most recently, I missed out on Nectarine Premiere, arguably one of the most wonderful beers de Garde brews (I know, it's just beer, but it is effing delicious beer). Should I be lucky enough to become a Keeper, the affordance of being able to purchase bottles in advance, and have them stored for months prior to pickup is alone worth the price of admission. The 8 bottles, etc, are the perks, from my perspective. Totally on-point pricing, imo.
     
  10. heyhiggi

    heyhiggi Devotee (347) Sep 6, 2014 Oregon
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    is it my turn to complain now :wink: @deGardebrewing

    this sucks for people that don't have Facebook. I have never been on facebook, never will. I drive over regularly from Portland and give you lots of my money.
    I was looking forward to this (only new cause a friend texting me the info) and didn't even have a chance because missed the announcement to send in an email didn't see anything posted here..... how else does one get info?????

    oh well
     
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  11. Joshbiir

    Joshbiir Initiate (0) Dec 8, 2016 Washington

  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    As soon as that happens, I can promise you I'll do just that.

    I have been very careful, I think, to make it clear that this is how things appear to me (I don't believe I've made any "factual" assertions). I have stated that based on what I've read and seen, I can see how a consumer might draw certain conclusions about what "appears" to be a significant price increase in the cost of your beer. I have acknowledged that I can understand how someone could reach that sort of conclusion, and have expressed my concern and sympathy, even if this really isn't going to impact me in any way (which of course it won't). I have also stated, ad nauseum, that you have the right to charge whatever price you want. I have also explained why I felt your explanation for the cost breakdown of your club membership fee seemed to ring a bit hollow. In fact, that's really the biggest problem I'm having with all this... I apologize if my visceral reaction to some of your comments came across as intemperate and insulting. I probably should have chosen my words better, but it was an honest response and reaction to your post. I have also reiterated, time and again I think, that this is just how it appears to me, and that perhaps I'm not seeing the entire picture. Nevertheless, I felt it was a point of view that needed to be expressed, especially in the current climate of grey market sales and muling, secondary markets, hoarding, etc. I knew my point of view would be unpopular, because of course you're a "rock star" Trevor, and so I knew my questions and criticisms would not be well received by the community.

    Nevertheless, I continue to feel it was a point of view that needed to be expressed.

    Frankly, I'm worn out as well discussing this topic (I feel as if I've made my point). I could comment about some of the inaccurate statements made in your post above (storing my wine club purchases at the winery for up to three month and more is a perk many wineries offer, as long as you don't make it a habit; it's expensive to ship wine/beer after all), and I suppose I could say something about the out of context reprints of some of my earlier statements. But to what point or affect?

    One last thing, and I'm not exactly sure how to put this. Being a BA moderator gives me no special rights or privileges, and of course I don't receive any sort of stipend for it. The only reason I agreed to be a moderator, is that I like being in a position to provide advice and assistance when it's requested. The worst part is being asked to be a BA policeman, which I'm flat out terrible at. I only hit members with warnings, or delete posts, when I'm asked or instructed to. Anyway, the point I' m trying to make is that my position as a moderator is completely irrelevant in this discussion. I'm just another member of the NW community expressing his opinion. As always.

    Sorry, it's late and I'm tired and I'm just droning on at this point. Clearly time to call it a night, and hopefully move on to another topic of discussion (as you've suggested). Cheers!
     
  13. heyhiggi

    heyhiggi Devotee (347) Sep 6, 2014 Oregon
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    I suppose it is, I missed that. For most of their existence deGarde's website has been about as useful as a snowsuit in the desert. Guess I know now that they actually do update it.

    @deGardebrewing too much to ask for a mailing list with prior notice for something like this?
     
  14. Texwild

    Texwild Zealot (550) May 1, 2008 Washington

    I love this forum. I read that whole post and it's Friday night. If Trevor's response can stand in for the love and importance we all feel for this forum, and no disrespect to our moderator for his reasoned and well intentioned posts, then the Shitlord Apocalypse has not yet arrived in the PNW.

    I will be signing up for the membership...that's an amazing opportunity to interact with a crew driven by passion and performance...and amazing beer.
     
  15. akang

    akang Pundit (955) May 3, 2013 California
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    Can you please stop? You're a broken record at this point. If you don't see the intrinsic value in the perks being offered by the membership, it's clear it's not meant for you and that's fine but please stop posting the same thing ad nauseum.

    I'll try to explain why so many people are excited for the membership (it's clear they got an overwhelming response since they shutdown sign-ups within a day). Let's take the point of view that the $260 could be divided into $160 for 8 bottles + glass (so a bit less than $20/bottle, which I think is more than fair given that there will be members only beers) and $100 for the other perks (a la the HF CW membership). I will also assume the prices of the additional beers offered to members will remain consistent with prices onsite. If one were in the membership, I'd assume there would be enough beers of interest released over the course of the year that one would purchase at least 2 cases of beer (if something like Nectarine Premiere was offered at the same limits as onsite, that'd be an easy half case alone for me). That means that one would be paying a ~$4 premium per bottle for the right to purchase bottles from the comfort of your own home. Of course, it becomes an even better deal per bottle if you buy more beer. Given the time savings involved and the fact that you won't miss out on any beers that interest you, this is a phenomenal deal unless you literally lived in Tillamook (let's be real, it's a 2.5 - 3 hour roundtrip from Portland which is a lot of time). If I lived in the PNW, I know I would have been tempted to go out to de Garde the week that The Lucy, Nectarine Premiere, and Kriek Premiere were released as well as the following week when The Duo came out. That's a lot of wasted time on the road (again, unless you live in Tillamook). The membership program will offer people the opportunity to get access to the beers they want and pick them all up in one trip. If you were to also schedule the private tour for the trip, I imagine that would be a fantastic and memorable experience.

    Long story short, I feel like you're failing to see/underrating the fact that time = money and the value proposition being offered by de Garde is pretty ridiculous from that perspective. Anyways, I think I'm not alone in saying that I would be thrilled to be accepted into the membership so fingers crossed.
     
  16. rrock44

    rrock44 Pooh-Bah (2,137) Oct 27, 2009 Washington
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    All this hoopla and commentary and deGarde doesn't even make a hazy IPA or an imperial barrel aged Russian stout. :wink:

    I kid. I kid. I've expressed before that deGarde's beers weren't my thing, so I don't have a dog in the fight. I do think of all the Lucille sixers I can buy for $260. However, deGarde must do the style very, very, very well because people (from all over the country) seem to go batshit crazy over their beers. Was it two summers ago I wrote about my visit to their brewery? My first experience of people lining up before doors opened and yes hand trucks were seen, yikes. I figure deGarde could have easily doubled the price and the club would have still sold out within the day.

    Anyway, the "purpose" of my post - I sure have enjoyed following this thread (and other threads, like Fremont in the PNW forum) of a brewery I could care less for. A minor reason is the fact they are kicking ass in what they do on a regional and national level. Gotta be proud of a giant-slaying David. The biggest reason is that I love when brewers/owners give us a little bit of their time by posting and interacting with their fans (and critics). So, I know Trevor's feathers have been ruffled (I would say a bit overblown, but anyone would go all papa bear when they feel someone is attacking their cubs), but I hope he doesn't disappear from the thread.

    My biggest complaint is that their was no posting for the new job. 85k plus benefits?!!?! Sign me up for that. :slight_smile:
     
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  17. NedStarkravingmad

    NedStarkravingmad Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2015 Washington

    Getting things back on track here...

    I wasn't being facetious or trying to play peacemaker, I really do want to buy someone a beer or two at dG. I'm planning to arrive a bit after opening, and I'll be around for a few hours. If anyone will be there today, give a shout.
     
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  18. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I'll say what I always say in response to these kinds of posts. This is an opinion driven website and forum, and that's what people come on here for. Sometimes you may agree with what's posted by a member, sometimes you may not. However, if you find something posted by a member to be so offensive and distasteful that it leaves you aghast, the best solution is to stop reading it.

    Telling someone (anyone) to stop posting because you disagree with their opinion, is not something that is likely to get much traction on BA.

    That being said, good luck with your application to become a club member. You're clearly a big fan of dG beer, so I hope this works out for you.

    Cheers!
     
  19. ewendel

    ewendel Crusader (476) Feb 12, 2008 Washington
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    In other news, batch 2 of The Duo is simply delicious. Great #tillafunk, pleasant acidity, and notable but not overpowering gin barrel character (becoming more pronounced as it warms). Looking forward to trying my other bottle in a year or so.
     
  20. akang

    akang Pundit (955) May 3, 2013 California
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    Honestly, I only responded because I think it's inappropriate for a moderator to make accusatory/false statements (which have been called out by others) repeatedly over and over and over again. Even though this is an opinion-based forum, I'd expect there should be a different standard for moderators vs. other posters since, like it or not, there is an implicit sense that your posts/views are representative of BA. But hey, whatever, you do you, cheers!
     
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