Warning from fedex?

Lol, no I'm an electrical eng, legality makes my head hurt. I understand their business their rules, but for the most part they are not consistently able to enforce this, nor imo do they try, hence when a box is busted for whatever reason they either return it or pass it on. Rarely as I see from here is it confiscated or destroyed. So they are as a company spotty, some offices might be vigilantes, others take your money and send it on as long as it's not dangerous. But I do get your point.

 

Does anyone know of an instance where someone faced legitimate legal consequences? As far as I can tell everyone that has experienced an issue just got a letter and that was the end of it

 

FedEx & UPS consistently state that shipping beer isn't allowed because it's illegal. Hence, the restrictions aren't simply a matter of policy or carrier preference, but are due to govt coercion. Some agree with these laws, while others don't, but it is our business & will be until/unless carriers are permitted to ship beer but choose not to.

The laws are -imo- both wrong & a fucking mess. Several times I've seen lawyers discussing/arguing them with no real consensus as to exactly what the laws actually mean. Confusion reigns at every level of interpretation & enforcement. The logical, orderly part of me finds that infuriating & my instincts scream that it's just wrong. But, as stated previously, maybe not. A more rigorous writing & interpretation of the law(s) wouldn't necessarily side with the (beer) angels. I'd hate to see shipping of beer become genuinely restrictive.

 

Perhaps we shall agree to disagree. they're private businesses, as far as I'm concerned they can do as they choose. I can do business with them, or not, as I choose. What rustles my Jimmies are the entitled attitudes of those who believe it's none of either companys business what I ship, shut up and take my money.

That attitude irks me to no end. Of course it's their business, IT'S THEIR BUSINESS.

As an aside, I'd agree the laws are ambiguous and frankly we should all be thankful for that. If they weren't ambiguous the first phone call they'd place when the discover your beer shipment wouldn't be to you, but to the authorities, lol

 

So when you get a shipment damaged and discarded, do they put you on some kind of shit list? I've had two done in by UPS and one by FedEx. I've shipped since then but just wondering.

 

Carrier policies aren't what I consider to be my business. I absolutely believe they should be permitted to ship or refuse to ship beer as they choose. But they aren't allowed to make that decision. Carriers routinely state that their policies are rooted in law & those laws are everyone's business.

IF it was a matter of choice rather than law it is highly likely the carriers would willingly, happily, ship beer, although they would probably require an adult signature on delivery. Numerous businesses already ship beer, wine & spirits via FedEx. (I don't know if any use UPS)

Given how often FedEx has simply re-packed boxes with broken/leaking bottles & then sent the boxes on to be delivered indicates their prohibition of beer shipments by the general public isn't rooted in their choice. IF it was, 'enforcement' would be more rigorous & with harsher consequences.

 

your issue is with the government. Frankly, again, we have have different concerns.

My concern is with the entitled attitudes of the customers, NOT with the government. Yo keep posting about what the Government is doing. I don't care.

News flash; the government gets to create the rules.if You don't like the rules run for office and change them.

If you can't think of at least ONE reason why UPS And FedEx shouldn't be allowed to ship alcohol, I really can't help you.

Personally, I can think of several. Living in a society means following rules, many of which we may not agree with. Guess what? Too bad, you're obligated to,follow them anyway or face the consequences.

Finally, we simply have different perspectives, and I suspect, different agendas.

Anyway cheers!

 

The customers, with or without entitled attitudes, are not at odds with FedEx. If they were, FedEx would enforce it's official policy, rather than gleefully running with its unofficial (& mutually beneficial) policy of looking the other way.

I am posting about what the govt is doing only as it impacts FedEx procedures & policies. FedEx/UPS aren't interested in prohibiting beer shipments (& limiting revenue). It's the govt that's all schizo stupid about shipping beer, not the carriers.

Citing FedEx/UPS 'rights' to its policies while failing to acknowledge the defining role govt had in those policies is disingenuous. Carriers haven't freely 'chosen' these restrictive & limiting policies. Nor would they over something as innocuous as beer. Realistically, issues with restrictions on shipping beer are with the govt, not the carrier. That won't change unless/until carriers choose such restrictions rather than being forced to accept them.

I'm not looking for your 'help' & don't know why you'd think I am. Anyone can play devils advocate & formulate convincing arguments for or against shipping alcohol. As previously noted, FedEx ships beer, wine & spirits for numerous businesses & has for years, although delivery requires the signature of an adult over 21.

I would hope, that at least on this site, we have very similar, if not identical, agendas.

 

The experiences shared here by various members strongly suggests that FedEx & UPS don't maintain naughty lists of those nefarious villains found shipping beer. Some have stated they switched to another carrier at least temporarily. Others continued on with the same carrier that busted em.

I had a box go badly astray once. When it finally landed at its intended destination a bottle of Cran-bic was missing. The recipient said several other bottles were somewhat sticky so we assumed a bottle burst or leaked & FedEx kindly cleaned up & repacked the remaining beers.

I can't understand why it would get wildly rerouted due to a leaking bottle so perhaps that had nothing to do with the screwy routing & delays. I had questions I realllly wanted to ask FedEx but thought it better to live with the unrequited curiosity than to risk raising the touchy subject of shipping beer

 

The sole time I had a box destroyed by fedex (completely destroyed the box was a total loss and they threw it out) Ii called them and they questioned me about the contents. I told them yeast samples, they said they suspected I was shipping beer. That was the end of it , no.letter no nothing. Since then I've shipped with them.using the same address without issue.

So in a long way, no, they don't seem to put you on any shit list

 

@TheVicster did you file a claim or did you decide it was a bad idea to push it any further?

 

Bad idea to push it any further. People can take this FWIW, but pursuing a.claim is a very bad idea, in.my opinion in many if not all instances doing.so .most likely could subject you to fraud charges.

I'm NOT saying I've ever heard of anyone being arrested or prosecuted for that. But, for example in a case.like mine where they actually have the damaged box, if I were to file a claim saying I lost 100 dollars in hot sauces or.oils.....well.......