Warnings on threadshitting

So one of the reasons I asked is I got a temp ban or timeout or whatever for trolling. I made comment on a trade saying that I thought his ISO:FT was right on. I had no self interest in the beers it just looked like a really balanced trade request.

I think I messaged you actually, and you took care of me and "unbanned" me because you could see my intent was to help in a positive way, but I always wondered why it happened in the first place.

I stay mostly drama free on the site, but I've had a few times over that last 3 years where I think, "why did they do that????"

 

Certainly possible that I could have done that...it does happen sometimes when people engage in civil discourse.

You've only thought that a few times? You need to think more.

 

I aways go by the old saying "you can catch more flies with honey" , you know the rest.

 

Personally, I'm partial to an X15 personal flamethrower, but the flies are often to crispy to converse with afterward.

 

I guess I personally believe it wrong to give anyone a warning for trying to help members out that a certain person is running an auction...Yes, it should be reported too..

 

I get the warnings for people with snarky comments or "playing mod" but people really get warnings for saying that a trade looks good or even?

Personally if I post an ISO:FT and someone saying something like "Nice offer", I like it. One, because I know it means I didn't over reach. And two, because I usually think that when other people that may be on the fence see that someone commented saying it was a generous offer, it might make them more comfortable making the trade.

 

I don't issue warnings for that...but I would consider deleting them since they don't really add anything to the ISO...unless you made a similar trade and include that information. That can be abused, but that's why we have dedicated mods to look at things like this.

Too often the "nice offer" is subsequently countered with "no way, that needs at least a + this or that"...and down the rabbit hole we go, Alice. It encourages the unpleasant homerism / hype / driving up trade value for people who have bottles of whatever the flavor of the day happens to be. That's a no go and we try to nip that in the bud.

Many of these also come from past trade partners (easily verified by looking through trade histories), friends or members of tasting groups who are looking to encourage the trade as well. They're not truly genuine and can often serve as a bump for the OP.

We're trying to make the playing field as level as possible, especially for newer traders who don't really know what they're doing or don't have a series of established partners / tasting groups. Cliques and exclusionary tactics don't sit well with us.

It's like the "great trader, hook him up!" posts...they really don't add anything to the thread. If the opinion of someone you don't know pushes you to make the trade, you might want to reconsider the hobby.

You have to remember that we're looking at this from a totally different perspective. I have no stake in the game as to whether or not a given trade is completed, but I want to try to make sure that the OP has every opportunity to make his trade...without penalizing others who are trying to trade too.

Every post made pushes someone else's ISO off the first page or second page. Aside from hard core traders or those looking for a specific beer, that's often the death knell for an ISO. So...if your post isn't helping the OP *and* is hurting someone else, yeah, that's less than desirable.

 

There's a really simple way to avoid this: don't comment on ISO:FT threads. Ever. Problem solved.

 

Can I suggest a perma ban for "pm me"? That's got to be my biggest pet peeve followed by "pm sent" and "great trader here, someone hook him up".

Unless for some reason that person is not able to pm the ISO trader than it is absolutely pointless to post that and it makes zero sense. IMOF, what it tells me is if that person is too lazy to pm someone than how lazy will they be when it comes to communication, packing a box, etc? Not to mention the arrogance of it.

"PM sent". What's the purpose? Do people think if they are first to post that they sent a pm then they automatically have dibs on the trade? Is that the equivalent to calling "shotgun" in their eyes? Do the just like letting the entire community know that they have the ISO beers?

"Great trader here, someone hook him up". That's what the feedback system is for and no one is going to "hook" anyone up based on what one stranger said if the trade isn't fair in their eyes.

Rant over (it's been awhile )

 

Review, read, and in most cases.. delete, ignore and reject, and in the rare cases, send a warning.

 

That's a bit extreme, but we do issue occasional warnings for "message sent" posts, especially for repeat offenders who ignore our notifications.

Your rationale does explain, rather bluntly, why we don't allow posts like that in the trade forums.

 

So, i posted an ISO today and a few people commented on it saying good offer, etc and then they all got deleted. I didn't report them and in fact even welcomed conversation in my ISO. So i guess I'm saying why were they deleted. Its my post and I didn't mind. Shouldn't I be the one who determines if someone can comment on my post? It didn't matter to me what anyone was saying on it in fact i prefer people to comment on my ISOs because it brings more attention to my post.

So i guess, if I don't care what happens on my post, why do you?

I also hope no one who commented on my post got warnings since i invited them to comment (Or threadshit).

 

Having those comments probably added some views to your thread too. But everything seems to be over moderated and your not allowed to have an opinion.

 

I got the same, in my case I went out of my way to try to help the guy better understand the difference between a post that comes across as an auction and how to avoid it, since that is against the rules. I don't think it is "playing at being a moderator" to try to be helpful.

 

no, it's not up to you.

there are community standards applied equally to everyone.

If you enjoy threadshits, take your trading elsewhere. there are plenty of other places tha allow (or even thrive) on that kind of sad behavior.

intentionally drawing attention to your posts when we've stated time and again that that behavior is undesirable is the kind of behavior that...earns you a warning.

the idea is that everyone has a level playing field.

it's really not so difficult.

you posted about it being an auction *three times* in the same thread. report it and let us deal with it.

 

Legitimate question, I'm not sure I understand the bold parts; am I incorrect that threads in ISO:FT don't get 'bumped'? I thought that function was turned off in that particular forum specifically to avoid what you're referring to, in which case only new threads, not posts, would push someone to the next page. I'm not saying that useless/biased content should be encouraged or even be allowed to stay on the thread, I'm just trying to understand the point you're making.

 

do yourself a favor and don't play stupid.

the forums may not default to display the most recent post, but any experienced trader knows how to change that setting.

 

I wasn't "playing stupid", I was uninformed, which is why I asked the question, and prefaced it with the statement that the question was legitimate. I frankly don't appreciate being called stupid for not being aware of a pretty minute detail; it was my impression that the feature in question was specifically turned off, so I never went looking for it.

 

please. don't push it. for someone who behaves with reckless abandon in certain threads, you ought to know better.

now, let it go.

 

I've probably done the "pm sent" thing before, but typically just in case someone checks the thread before/without checking their messages. Although in retrospect I can see how it can be silly/annoying.

The "great trader here!", though. Oy.

I miss your crankiness. When will we see you again? SMABRD?