Warnings on threadshitting

I'll agree to disagree.
Crickets would speak for themselves on whether or not his trade would get done. No comments necessary for that.

Other threads on this forum, if peeps do their homework, provide all the necessary info needed on bottle count, cost, etc. (No comments needed).

Besides- just because someone "chimed" in on his thread stating what they had to give up, doesn't make it the norm for the OP. There's really nothing to back it up.

If the OP isn't getting any responses, they are *obviously* off or peeps don't like the bottle or bottles they are offering for trade, or the right person hasn't seen it.

Ps- we can discuss this over a beer at the next R&D release

 

So a new trader in PA is somehow trading a just released WA for BB cut and can somehow add additional de garde and Sara yet somehow doesn't know the trade values of the bottles values and then vulture sits the thread waiting for people to.post so.he can reply.

Doesn't it seem a little possible that it's a troll thread to begin with?

 

Not directed at you personally. But there is an option of not saying anything (comments) and actually moving onwards to the next thread of interest. Too many people chime in, I think just to hear themselves talk. If people are interested in the trade with OP, why comment at all? BM them. In fact, if they really feel the need to help out...BM them. Its a simple concept that a lot of folks can't grasp.
Or report the thread to a moderator. Beer trading isn't rocket science...its suppose to be fun. If everyone acted *civil*, we wouldn't need moderators, but we all know the answer to that statement.

 

I have commented in a few trade posts after trading for a bit and felling more comfortable with trading, but have since stopped. I feel like even if I am being helpful, it can be taken the wrong way by the OP or someone. Overall I don't think comments add much to anything. I suppose comments being open are nice for the rare occasions to inform the OP that a beer is out of season or something like that, but a simple PM can also take care of that.

 

If you're implying what I think you are then that's some high tech shit. I'm almost positive this will never happen but an exclusive database similar to what we have now but it shows everyone the completed trade. In other words, I put in a specific beer(s) I want to trade and specific beer(s) I'm looking for. Someone sees it, pm's me, we both come to an agreement and click (enter) the beers we are trading and it becomes a completed trade and feedback is tied in.

This way everyone would be able to search the beers they have or want and the completed trade would pop up. Sure, one person could make a troll account or two friends could set up a fake trade but overall it would be very beneficial.

 

For the most part, I agree. Crickets speak volumes and most seasoned traders would then know to reevaluate their approach. On the other hand, crickets can say everything without saying anything at all. Do you need to add a little? A lot? Maybe you just didn't get the right set of eyes? I think this trading help forum comes into play at that point, and people can usually get constructive criticism about ratios and such. But then we open those threads up to the back and forth and pissing matches we are trying to avoid in the actual trade forums.

Good help really can be hard to find.

 

If there is a completed trades database to reference, then you should know what beers trade for, no guesswork really. If BA Abraxas goes 1:1 with DBH but you don't get any bites, then it's a waiting game. That's just the way it works. Do your research.

 

I think there's always a little guess work. What one beer traded for a year ago may not trade anywhere close to what it does today for a variety of reasons. One person may also be more "generous" and there are always the one uppers who see xyz beer went for xyz beer so they try to get a little more out of the next trade. Regardless, it would help to a degree and, as you mentioned, take a lot of the guess work out.

 

Besides there's the very realy possibility of completely fabricated trades for the sake of increasing trade value. Since the site has nothing to do with fulfillment of trades, only the arrangement of them, there's no recourse to say that any of these actually happened.

If you think "Closed" doesn't always mean closed, and then it's just a shot in the dark if anyone will even see it, how much worse will it be when that is something people legitimately try to work from?


Until BA actually gets in the middle of trades, providing a fulfillment service and ensuring that what was agreed to actually takes place (obviously never happening), there is zero way to actually avoid all of this, any effort put out is at best going to minimize it.

 

I'm not saying what I thought of out loud was a definitive way of legitimizing trades but it would help. It would also reduce the amount of people chiming in on ISO's of what they traded their bottles for and cut down on the "completed" trade threads that a lot of people like.

You're right, "there is zero way to avoid all of this" but it doesn't mean we can't take steps to help reduce it and make it more user friendly at the least. BA isn't responsible for making sure trades are fulfilled and the trader feedback system doesn't guarantee you won't get screwed in a trade but it does help in a number of ways for new and old traders.

I guess what I'm saying is that I realize nothing is going to be perfect but your comment almost seems as if we shouldn't even bother trying.

 

@LehighAce06

Again, in the context of tracibility, if you suspect wrong doing, fake trades... look at that persons history. Look at their interactions with the community, look how diverse the people they have traded with, how many completed trade, how long have they been a member. Obviously a brand new account that just completed a trade, Pliny for Assassin should throw up a red flag. Also, hype should be evident if you see FO going 1:1 with KBBS between two So Cal traders. Do your research.

 

I would very much like a subforum for these...but they would have to be searchable within thread (IMO) to be really effective.

 

I totally agree. Really no reason to comment on trade threads.

 

Ok, so check this out fellas.

http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/ft-coffee-abraxas-iso-fundamental-observation.315501/

I asked in the thread if there was a "Drink within" time on the bottle.

My posts were deleted twice. Someone commented that yes, drink within 60 days and the bottle date was Nov. 2014, but it's still way more valuable because there was only 300 bottles produced.

How the fuck does that make any sense? If a brewer says "Drink this fast" it probably means that the taste and quality will begin to diminish significantly after that time. I don't think a lot of folks know Coffee Abraxas has a "drink by" date.

So, how would you feel if you traded for a beer from someone and the "drink by" date was 6 months passed, especially if you didn't care for it?

 

For what it's worth, I'd want to know that. It changes everything to me.

 

Not to veer off topic, but I'll comment on your post above from an "outsider" looking in. And no disrespect, just my opinion.
(1) a Cali trader commenting on a trade involving a "hyped" beer from their state. Whether said comment was done in *good faith* or done to undermine the value of Coffee Abraxas ( I can't say for sure what your intentions were)
(2) my bottle says drink within (60) days as coffee is delicate for *ideal flavor and aroma*. No where does it say that bottle will explode after (60) days from bottling, nor that you should dump bottle down the drain after (60) days. It is an *adjunct stout*, and most knowledgeable traders no that any adjunct stout can lose flavors over time (any coffee beer, not just Coffee Abraxas).
(3) in line with your comment. Some brewery that made a so called *coconut stout* beer back in 2013 in the city of Chicago, had numerous articles straight from the brewery and verbal communication to peeps buying this *Prop* that it was *ideal* to drink fresh as the coconut is notorious for fading fast in a beer. Apparently, there are a lot of peeps saying it still tastes great! Take it for what its worth.

Again, I'm not here to pick on you personally, just using your comment as an example. And yes, your comment effects me cause I could do the same trade if his *closes*. Not that I would, but you get my point.

This is an example of why I think comments should not be allowed.

Cheers!

 

I never saw his comment, so I can't speak at all to whether that particular one might have had a "protect local value" slant or not, but this is just an example anyway; here's my issue with no comments: if the OP did not include a bottling date, for an item where bottling date might be important (hops, adjuncts, whatever), or any other relevant information was left out, it should be added.

Maybe OP just didn't realize they omitted something important, or maybe they're being malicious (let's say last year's batch of King Sue instead of the presumed recent one); regardless, calling attention to this by BM only helps one person, calling attention to it in-thread helps everyone.

 

Not here to argue, but should everyone trading their 2013 Prop affix an article straight from the brewery in their ISO/FT stating that they are trading a beer that should be consumed *fresh* back in 2013?? It is almost 2 years later. C'mon, its a Cali trader commenting on a beer in their region. Plus its an adjunct stout. (enough said). Shouldn't you as a trader, ask these questions to your trade partner when trading for said beer of any kind?? Also, it says *ideal* on the bottle. I guess you didn't get my points. No worries, its all good.

 

I did get your points, but keep in mind that particular post (and an in-state user making it) on that particular beer (that says "ideal" on the label) are just anecdotal examples.

Your example of "Prop '13" has the date right in it, and knowing that the adjunct in it is going to fade is part of trading. "Coffee Abraxas" has no date in the name, so is a better example, or BA Speedway Stout if you prefer something more readily available; in those cases whether it's a recent batch or something cellared for 3 years is a) not known just by the colloquial name of the beer, and b) is important to know, despite that everyone out there may not know to ask.

I'm all for buyer beware, but only to a point; yes, I should ask these questions, but part of the stated goal of those running the site is for everyone to get a fair shake, and for newer traders that don't ask these questions, that isn't very fair.