Was that Founder’s Imperial Stout?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by puck1225, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:54 PM.

  1. puck1225

    puck1225 Poo-Bah (2,374) Aug 14, 2015 Texas

    I had a disconcerting beer “incident” last evening.

    My wife and I went to a local pizza restaurant that listed Founder’s Imperial Stout on tap, which I ordered.

    After the first drink, I wondered if I had been given the correct beer, but I watched it being poured from a tap that had the correct pull handle. The beer tasted suspiciously like a Guinness or something similar. I liked the beer I was poured, but it did not taste like a “World Class” beer.

    None of the possible explanation are pleasant. Was this really the beer advertised? Has Founder’s Imperial Stout gone down hill? (It has been a while since I had it previously, but I recall it being pretty dang good.) Has my palate gone to hell in a hand basket?

    Have others had similar experiences?

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  2. hopsputin

    hopsputin Poo-Bah (1,883) Apr 1, 2012 New Jersey

    Dirty tap line?
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  3. RacerX5k

    RacerX5k Disciple (360) Feb 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Good and relevant question. I can tell you, this is a beer, years ago, I did not like fresh or at one year's old. Then in I want to say July of 2018 read my review I had the pleasure of trying the 2016 beer at 18 months old and it was, amazing.


    Then I bought two more older, almost 5 years old 4 packs and it was borderline terrible. So I suspect you ran into either very old or brand new beer, either way you're impressions are correct, and your own. Beer does change with age, and usually not for the better. I always say drink fresh, except this one, for me, was better aged, but not old. And that being said I can't wait to try the newest batch due out soon ...
    #3 RacerX5k, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:07 PM
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  4. RacerX5k

    RacerX5k Disciple (360) Feb 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    No, just, very likely, way too old beer.
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  5. EMH73

    EMH73 Poo-Bah (1,975) Sep 16, 2015 New York
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    I had an experience about a year ago where I ordered am IPA on tap (no idea which one at this point). When i tasted the beer i called the waiter back and told him that the beer was not an IPA but rather a pilsner. He said they had no pilsners on tap. I kept the beer as it was a decent pilsner. The manager came to me later and said that I was absolutely correct, they attached the wrong leg to the line. Always possible that something like this happened.
  6. RaulMondesi

    RaulMondesi Poo-Bah (2,081) Dec 11, 2006 California

    I thought FIS was retired. Either way, I enjoy it fresh, but with a year or two of age on it, after taking a sip I feel like I am Jimmy Hendricks. Shit is wild good!
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  7. Prince_Casual

    Prince_Casual Disciple (327) Nov 3, 2012 District of Columbia

    So like a knock off Jimi Hendrix ?
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  8. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (6,833) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    If you return to that venue, have them take a pic of the keg tag.
  9. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,788) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina

    So you’re saying it’s more likely that a local pizza place had a 5 year old beer than it is that their tap lines were dirty?

  10. puck1225

    puck1225 Poo-Bah (2,374) Aug 14, 2015 Texas

    Yeah. This place opened about 1 year ago.
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  11. micada

    micada Aspirant (239) Jul 13, 2015 New York

    FIS is coming back in December.
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  12. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (2,734) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Yup, I had this happen once. I ordered a beer, and what I got was clearly not what I ordered. Not old, not dirty lines - just the wrong beer. Didn't bother saying anything because it was decent anyway.
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  13. stevepat

    stevepat Crusader (772) Mar 12, 2013 California

    Unless I'm way out of the loop FIS is only available if the bar has a very old keg or happens to be a founders location. So it would seem your options are old beer that was past it's prime or some degree of fraud. (should mention, I suppose, that you could be mistaken and it was actually one of founders other spots, FBS KBS or CBS )
  14. JrGtr

    JrGtr Disciple (394) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts

    I'm guessing it was as likely a combination of the two - probably old keg, and likely dirty lines - they should be cleaned every couple weeks, and ideally when switching brands on that line.
    Many places don't do that.
    If you go back, maybe try to get into a conversation about how often the lines are cleaned -
    that will give a hint too.
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  15. Junior

    Junior Defender (625) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    Based on the description above I’d say it was the wrong beer. I don’t see how FIS would ever be described as Guinness-like, even if old or through dirty tap lines.
  16. zid

    zid Meyvn (1,330) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Which Guinness?
    If you are thinking of the nitro Draught, then perhaps the beer you drank was Founders Oatmeal Stout on nitro and it was mislabeled by the restaurant. If you are thinking of Guinness Antwerpen, then perhaps you had Founders Imperial Stout and there shouldn't be a problem.
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  17. puck1225

    puck1225 Poo-Bah (2,374) Aug 14, 2015 Texas

    The tap pull handle was clearly marked and the beer served didn’t taste like these other beers you mention.
  18. puck1225

    puck1225 Poo-Bah (2,374) Aug 14, 2015 Texas

    Just the usual Guinness one usually sees on tap at restaurants. Perhaps it was mislabeled oatmeal stout.
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  19. RacerX5k

    RacerX5k Disciple (360) Feb 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    yes that's what I'm saying. because, again,. 5 yo beer can be disgusting, at best.
  20. RacerX5k

    RacerX5k Disciple (360) Feb 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    yes don't hmmm me. been at this for way too long, and i am considered among young beer experts, in my area, as Mr. Bourbon County, circa 2012 2013. ok. iv'e forgotten more beer, then most will ever know ... seriously dude, and i'm not always in a good mood. and i've given away (at cost) more beer than you could drink.
  21. Ffenski

    Ffenski Devotee (400) Apr 24, 2008 Ohio

  22. zac16125

    zac16125 Poo-Bah (1,788) Jan 26, 2010 South Carolina

    Cool story, Hansel.
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  23. Longhorn08

    Longhorn08 Aspirant (230) Feb 4, 2014 Texas

    Mr. Bourbon County, Sr. If I may say.......


    End of dig.
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  24. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (3,603) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    It's important to note the local distributor could also be responsible for supplying an old keg.
  25. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (3,603) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Clearly marked does not equate to accuracy.
  26. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Poo-Bah (1,727) Sep 15, 2014 New York

    FIS will be back in December, so that keg must be at least two years old--but, more than likely, if it tastes "bad" I suspect something else is wrong here. Maybe dirty tap lines or there's a mix-up.
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