Water Profile for an Imperial Stout

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  1. drabmuh

    drabmuh Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2004 Maryland

    Hello water people,

    What is a good water profile for an RIS with a lot of Marris otter and the stuff that makes it dark? Going for about a 12% ABV beer. My water is pretty low with respect to all the salts. Maybe try to up the sulfate so it copies Burton water? Thoughts?
     
  2. soheadyithurts

    soheadyithurts Zealot (551) Jan 4, 2013 Massachusetts

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  3. azorie

    azorie Pooh-Bah (2,471) Mar 18, 2006 Florida
    Pooh-Bah

    only thought I have is do you have your water numbers? do you have software to calculate the changes needed to match a water profile? aka beersmith? you must not have beersmith becuase this is built in to the software. once you KNOW your waters numbers, the software will calculate the amounts needed to match profile

    Name: Burton On Trent, UK
    PH: 8.00

    Ions:
    Calcium: 295.00
    Magnesium: 45.00
    Sodium: 55.00
    Sulfate: 725.00
    Chloride: 25.00
    Bicarbonate: 300.00

    Additions:
    Gypsum: 0.0
    Salt: 0.0
    Epsom Salts: 0.0
    Baking Soda: 0.0
    Chalk: 0.0
    Calcium Chloride: 0.0

    Notes: Distinctive pale ales strongly hopped. Very hard water accentuates the hops flavor.
    Example: Bass Ale

    Created with BeerSmith 2 - http://www.beersmith.com
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    Not to far off from my water. sadly. I have to add sulfate.
    http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter15-4.html
    see chapter 7 in water.
    no expert on water yet. learning though.
     
  4. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    I'm a fan of a decent amount of carbonate say, ~250 PPM for the mash. No need to load up on the carbonate for the sparge though.

    In terms of hitting mash pH, baking soda or slaked lime seem to be the best options. Chalk takes too long to dissolve and go to work (although some brewers dissolve it in carbonated water to get around this). For me raising the pH slightly gives the really dark malts a smoother, less acrid, charcoal roast.

    I usually don't do much for the flavor ions, but sometimes aim for slightly elevated chloride and sodium. I'd rather enhance the more sweet, rounded, malty flavors at the expense of the sulfate and hops.
     
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  5. dblab33

    dblab33 Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Michigan

    In my big stouts, I shoot for the following in my finished water profile:

    Ca: 60
    Mg: 5
    Na: 15
    SO4: 30
    Cl: 40

    Bicarbonate around 290ppm to hit my target mash pH of 5.40.

    Works well for me, definitely enhances the maltiness of the beer.
     
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  6. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Some say to have the pH around 5.5 to 5.6 for dark beers. Alkalinity helps, but don't go overboard.

    One technique some use is to mash the light grains, and add the dark acidic grains at the end of the mash, or even do a cold steep of the dark grains and add the liquid and grains at the sparge.
     
  7. dbrese

    dbrese Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2011 Vermont

    I second what OldSock said. Also, consider Gordon Strong's method of adding the toasted and roasted malts after the mash to minimize their effect on lowering mash pH and reduce harsh flavors from over-steeping them. You will still have to adapt the water profile for the base malts, but it shouldn't be as much of a challenge to manage the pH without those acidic malt additions.
     
  8. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    That is fine as far as mash pH goes, but it doesn't fix any flavor issues in the finished beer.
     
  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Depending on the brewing water you can avoid acrid and harsh flavors by cold steeping. This is what I have been doing for many years. It did improve my dark beers flavor.
     
  10. DeutschesBier

    DeutschesBier Initiate (0) Feb 8, 2009 Maryland

    After being disappointed with a few dark beers in a row, I was very happy with the Robust Porter I did using this profile:

    Ca - 70
    Na - 18
    Sulfate - 30
    Chloride - 51
    Bicarbonate - 135

    Estimate mash pH - 5.5
     
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