Water Profile for Blonde Ale

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  1. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I want to brew a blonde ale using only bottled water. My question is what minerals and salts should I use for an all grain 5 gallon batch? I want it to be super light and balanced. I want to follow Jamil's classic blonde recipe using 2-row, a touch of crystal 15L, and one addition of Willamette hops at 60 mins of a 90 min boil.
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What exactly are you going to use for "bottled water"?

    Cheers!
     
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  3. OldSock

    OldSock Maven (1,418) Apr 3, 2005 District of Columbia

    Start with distilled/RO, add 50-75 PPM calcium with a blend of CaCl and gypsum. That's about it. No need for carbonate, sodium, or magnesium.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My preferred water tool is MpH and it has a tab for suggested water profiles.

    For a Blonde Ale MpH suggests a water profile of:

    · Calcium: 50 – 100 ppm

    · Chloride: 50 – 100 ppm

    · Sulfate: 100 – 200 ppm

    Cheers!
     
  5. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    I want to use distilled/RO water like Poland spring 1 gallon bottles. I only have calcium chloride, gypsum, Epsom salt, and baking soda. Is lactic acid important in this style for being a light colored beer?
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Lactic acid is only important for lowering mash pH. With a blond ale, you should be able to do that sufficiently with calcium chloride and gypsum, and not need additional acid.

    Here's my favorite profile (overall concentration, in parts per million) for a blonde ale..

    Ca Mg Na Cl SO4 HCO3
    56 0 0 70 40 0

    Use about a 2:1 ration of Calcium chloride to gypsum. The amount will depend on how much water you're treating. Use some water software to determine that.
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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  9. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    Is there a water Profile recipe using teaspoons as a measurement? For 7 gallons of water.
     
  10. langdonk1

    langdonk1 Initiate (0) May 16, 2014 South Carolina

    7 gallons of distilled water
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    7 gallons total water (strike, sparge, whatever) doesn't sound like enough for a 5 gallon batch of a typical blonde ale.
    However, in 7 gallons (total) distilled water, you'd need 3.8 grams CaCl2 and 1.9 grams CaSO4 to hit the profile I posted above. Note that if you don't want to use acid in this batch, you're probably looking at using all those salts in the mash infusion, then sparging with plain distilled water.

    I really don't know the grams to teaspoon conversion factors. They'd be different for each salt. And it's much better to weigh them. Again, I'd really recommend some software. MpH and BrewCipher (which uses the MpH model) are both free.
     
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  12. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    4 g gypsum per teaspoon.
    3.4 g CaCl2 per teaspoon.
     
  13. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I downloaded the excel from the Homebrewing Physics website, but I dont see the suggested water profiles tab. Can you help me?
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Which version did you download?

    I use v2.0 and the suggested water profile tab is the 5th tab on the bottom from left to right; it is between the Sparge Water tab and the Sparge Acid tab.

    Cheers!
     
  15. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I would simplify things, for 5 gals of a light balanced ale I would use these salt additions for mashing :

    Considering starting from distilled water

    1 teaspoon of CaCl2
    1 teaspoon of Gypsum
    1/4 teaspoon of table salt
     
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  16. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    Just saw it was an old version. I got V3 and its there! Thanks!
     
  17. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

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  18. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    If spring water, add no salts, but maybe use a few ounces of acidulated malt to bring the mash pH down to like 5.4.

    If distilled water, a teaspoon of gypsum and a teaspoon of calcium chloride is probably good for 5 gallons. Swaggy, but effective.
     
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