Water Report Question

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  1. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I got the local water report from the water authority today. What stats should I be looking at to start building water profile. I want to start taking my beer more serious than I already have. Any input would help.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    These are the values in parts per million (or in milligrams per liter, same thing) you'll need in most/all programs/spreadsheets...

    Ca
    Mg
    Na
    Cl
    SO4
    Alkalinity as CaCO3 or as HCO3
     
  3. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Maybe I need a more in depth report. The one I have has.....
    Flouoride
    Turbidity
    Trihalomethanes
    Haloacetic Acids
    Chlorine
    Nitrate
    Lead

    Should I ask for a different one? Or just have a sample of my water tested?
     
  4. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Nothing there of real use in your report. You can ask to see if they have data for the ions that Vikeman listed, or send it to Ward Labs for analysis.
     
  5. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I will make a list! Thanks VikeMan
     
  6. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    Your local water company might only be doing the minimum to meet regulations. All of the values that Vikeman mentioned are optional test, but most do them anyways.
     
  7. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Is there possibly an easy way to do it in house? Or do I need a small lab to do it?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Do you mean to test for those brewing ions? If so, no, there's no easy (and no cheap) way to do it at home.
     
  9. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I figured.... dammit. How much we talking to send it away to test?
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    $30+ bucks.

    https://producers.wardlab.com/pay/order-brewers-kit.php?step=1&op=kit

    I would still go back to your water supplier and see if they will provide you the information you need. My water company labeled the water report I needed as "Laboratory Report".

    Cheers!
     
  11. Smokebox_79

    Smokebox_79 Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I'll give it 1 more try. They seemed like no one asks any questions and they had no clue what I meant. Maybe next time I'll write it in crayon.....
     
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  12. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    I called my water company to get the bicarbonate levels and you would have thought I was talking in Spanish. Based on your first post asking what "what stats should I be looking at" I recommend reading the water section from how to brew. It explains what you should be looking at and how to adjust it. http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter15-1.html

    Also, I recommend using a Mash Ph Calculator like this website: http://homebrewingphysics.blogspot.com/2014/01/mph-water-calculator-v12.html?m=1

    I was able to find my local water report online via my local water company, minus the bicarbonate levels. I didn't need to ask or have them send one to me.
     
  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Did the have total alkalinity listed?
     
  14. CavemanBrau

    CavemanBrau Initiate (0) Apr 5, 2013 Iowa

  15. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Yes, but they did put how it was expressed, it just says alkalinity However, since I live south of LA I was able to use Beersmith and How to brew which shows LA's water alkalinity at 120, and the alkalinity on my report is 110, so I figure that's the correct number.
     
  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    You can calculate the bicarbonate from total alkalinity and pH.
     
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  17. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    I think I saw some type of calculation and it looked confusing.....
     
  18. Witherby

    Witherby Crusader (498) Jan 5, 2011 Massachusetts

    I just started using Bru'n Water. You can download an older version for free. A little overwhelming at first, but it has a great introductory section and seems like a very powerful tool. I donated so I could get the updated version, but you don't really need it. Fortunately my town posts a detailed water report online every year.
     
  19. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    my local water supply guys definitely gave me blank looks when I asked for those values...turned out that they only test for what is required in my area. I actually got one of those LaMotte water test kits and sent mine out to Ward. Turned out the LaMotte kit did a really good job...but much more expensive than Ward (though you end up with a pretty nice pH meter w/LaMotte kit). If you've got a local group that may want to test, then LaMotte maybe a good option. I passed mine around my HB club since a lot of people around here use well water.
     
  20. Sean_Darby

    Sean_Darby Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2013 Florida

    If it's readily available I would start using RO as your base..For me it's $1.50 for 5 gallons..it's constant and I know what my base water is..After that you are able to create a "house" water profile for most of your beers..The one big to look for in your water report is alkalinity..
     
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