Wee Heavy Grainbill

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  1. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Getting ready to brew my first with Belgian Pilsner and Belgian Munich (15L). What ratio would you suggest for those base grains? I plan on adding ~ 3% Crystal and 1% Special B also and a 90 min boil. Right now I'm thinking 2:1 Munich : Pilsner...which should put me at ~ 20 SRM and ~ 1.090 OG. TIA
     
  2. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Does that 15L Munich have the necessary diastatic power to be 2/3 of the grain bill?
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I hope so :slight_smile:...good point...checked earlier, better check again.
    Castle's website is using EBC (and LOV)...so the big problem is color...diastatic power is 150...plenty
    Might have to add some more Special B or even some roasted barley.
    And/or even go 100% of the really 6L Munich
    Thanks for the double-check
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    It's a done deal except for the fermentation :slight_smile:...OG 1.082 Oxygen blast, yeast nutrient, and 2 sachets of US-05. This will certainly be an American interpretation of a Wee Heavy with the homegrown Santiam hops (at a paltry 25 IBUs) and the Chico yeast.
     
  5. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    Most wee heavys are american interpretations, no? :wink:
     
  6. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    Why worry about color if you're using Belgian malts to make a Scottish ale? It's your own beer, right? Forget the color, and go with those Santiam hops - you might be onto something great !!!
     
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  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Color is a fairly easy fix..."it's my own beer, right?" :slight_smile: why not?
     
  8. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    All the ingredients read anything but a Wee Heavy. I think the US-05 might attenuate a bit too much & the malts will give more of a strong dark lager character but who knows. Dont know til you know. Post updates and let us know how it turns out. Cheers!
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  10. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Wee Heavy was just the name put on Fowler's Twelve Guinea Ale bottles , the "wee" referred to the tiny size of the bottles. When a Scot asks for a "wee heavy" he means half a pint of bitter.
    The current interpretation neatly embodies all the misrepresentations; low hop rates, peated malt and long boil times.
    Here's a recipe for a genuine Scotch Ale. Note the 100+ IBUs ;
    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/02/lets-brew-wednesday-1868-william.html
     
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  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada


    "genuine Scotch Ale" ? me thinks not..at least not the ones I'm talking about... looks like somebody's modern interpretation of what a Scottish Pale India Ale might have looked like 150 or so years ago. The big problem with talking about some things from the past is that words and meanings change over time (and locale). Scotch Ales or "Scotch Burgundies" were originally strong, dark, and sweet with something like 1868 Younger #3 really being an IPA or double IPA using modern terminology. According to what I've read in IPA, by Mitch Steele, pale ales weren't even brewed in Edinburgh prior to ~ 1830

    I think the Fowler's 12 peso Ale :slight_smile: would be a lot closer to what I'm talking about when I say "Scotch Ale" or "Wee Heavy" than the one you linked to above. Cheers
     
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  12. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    it changed over the years like most british beers. Went from pale to dark. Youngers no3 is a classic scotch ale

    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2011/10/fowlers-twelve-guinea-ale.html

    fwiw I think Mitch spoke to Ron a lot when he wrote the IPA book, I'm sure a lot of his info came from Ron


    anyway, brew what you want and call it what you want, just be careful if you throw in a Classic or Traditional in there :open_mouth:
     
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  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    "fwiw I think Mitch spoke to Ron a lot when he wrote the IPA book, I'm sure a lot of his info came from Ron"

    Yes, I'm sure...in fact the Scotland sub chapter of Chapter 5 has a pix of the Younger Brewery courtesy of Ron Pattinson

    Cheers
     
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  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

  15. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Youngers had another brewery dedicated to brewing IPAs at the time.

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    No3 was marketed as a Strong Ale in Scotland but as Scotch Ale elsewhere.
    But look at Youngers No 1 for which Ron's blog posted a recipe. A mere 122 IBUs this time.Again marketed as Strong Ale in Scotland but Scotch Ale outside Scotland.

    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.co.uk/2012/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1879-william.html

    This is the sort of article which must make scholars like Ron Pattinson wonder why they bother to publish their findings.
     
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  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I bet this beer didn't really have 122 (measurable) IBUs. Just sayin'
    (Not that that invalidates anything you have said about the styles.)
     
  17. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Of course not, that was computed from the ingredients. But ut should put an end to the nonsense of Scotch Ale being a low hopped beer.
     
  18. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I've wondered the same thing

    Pedantic does not equal scholarly
     
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  19. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    Wow - where to start? Scotch Ales in the 19th century were pale beers, brewer from 100% pale malt. No. 3 was not an IPA, but a type of strong Scotch Ale. It's still brewerd ytoday, but became dark duting the 20th century. The William Younger IPA's were XP and XXP. There were plenty of pale Ales brewed in Scotland before 1830, but not Pale Ales. In fact what we think of as Pale Ale today was hardly brewed anywhere before 1830.
     
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  20. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Wow, how about a strong, dark, and sweet (export) ale from Scotland brewed prior to ~1800 and referred to by some contemporaries as Scotch Burgandies? Any info on that? .

    The color and pale thing is nice, but I'm not really interested in later 19th and 20th century permutations of a Scotch Ale.
     
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