Weihenstephaner 1516 Kellerbier

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  1. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (502) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Finally showing up here in Ohio. I won't chime in yet since I've only had one and very chilled from the bottle. Call this crazy, but I plan on building up a yeast starter from the dregs starting Saturday - I'll chime in more later.
     
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  2. Redrover

    Redrover Poo-Bah (3,492) Jan 18, 2003 Wisconsin
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    I bought a 6er today for $10.99. They are chilling now and will be drank during the Hawks and Cubs game tonight.

    I've always loved beers from this brewery so I'm looking forward to this one!
     
  3. kalosjakar

    kalosjakar Initiate (0) May 5, 2014 Rhode Island

    I bought a single and enjoyed it. I do like their Hefeweissbier and Vitus more though.

    Vitus is fucking delicous.
     
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  4. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Where the heck did you find that bargain? It's 4 bucks more in Lake County.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    From the Draft Magazine article:

    “At 5.6% strength, its gets compelling character not from leftover yeast—in fact the beer is centrifuged to a precise degree,…”

    Feel free to swirl to obtain more sediment but there is little to no yeast in that beer since it was centrifuged.

    Cheers!
     
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  6. Redrover

    Redrover Poo-Bah (3,492) Jan 18, 2003 Wisconsin
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    Sal's Beverage World in Elmhurst. Looked again at my receipt it was $11.99 the Lugunitas Aunt Sally was $10.99.. Still a deal!
     
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  7. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (502) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I usually use WY2124 for my lagers anyway, just intrigued by using a yeast directly cultivated from Weihenstephan vs one that has potentially drifted over the years.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Do you have the opinion that WY2124 has drifted? I also use 2124 for most of my lagers and I would be willing to bet that this yeast strain is very stable to a specific culture time (i.e., when Wyeast obtained the W-34/70 yeast strain). I would also think that Weihenstephaner would propagate their W-34/70 from their yeast bank from a specified time. I doubt that you or I could obtain any information on the difference in yeast bank time. The other considerations would be:
    • Is there much difference between the 2124 yeast strain and the Weihenstephaner W-34/70 strain used at their brewery?
    • Did they indeed use Weihenstephaner W-34/70 to brew 1516?
    Cheers!
     
  9. Redrover

    Redrover Poo-Bah (3,492) Jan 18, 2003 Wisconsin
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    I enjoyed one of these last night. Very solid, I'm going to pick-up some more before it disappears.
     
  10. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (502) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    I've had a couple of these now and prefer it poured off the yeast and served closer to room temperature. There is a slight rough bitterness that I would attribute to the hop use but I imagine is the astringent flavor mentioned by others. The malt heft seems subdued at normal temperatures but seems appropriate closer to room temperature. Overall, I enjoy this beer but don't rank it up with the rest of Weihenstephaner's portfolio.
     
  11. RDMII

    RDMII Initiate (0) Apr 11, 2010 Georgia

    Too much shit to read through, but as someone who loves big, chewy beers and only drinks lighter stuff when forced, I found this beer to be wonderful. Bready as hell for such a light body, easy to drink, crisp, and filling. Probably the best lagered beer I've has in quite a while.
     
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  12. SkipZ

    SkipZ Initiate (87) Jul 3, 2015 Pennsylvania

    I agree with most of your statement. I think people are trying to find complexities in this offering that just aren't there and should just enjoy it for what it is.
     
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  13. Rutgers13

    Rutgers13 Initiate (41) Nov 12, 2013 New Jersey

    My take away from this thread is that some of you are paying way too much for your beer. I bought a sixer of this last week for $9.59. Can't believe some mentioned it costing 12 or 13 dollars. A case is $34.99 here.
     
  14. scottakelly

    scottakelly Zealot (502) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    Thought I would give an update on my attempt to culture the dregs from 1516. It was a fail. There appears to be sufficient yeast in the bottle to culture, and I poured in 5 bottles worth of dregs over four days. My guess would be the yeast is not viable because of pasteurization. Oh well, I'm only out about 75 cents in grain for my starter.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I recently bought a case (Pennsylvania) and it was 55 bucks including tax.

    Cheers!

    @KOP_Beer_OUtlet
     
  16. KOP_Beer_OUtlet

    KOP_Beer_OUtlet Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Sorry I missed you Jack...full disclosure our wholesale cost is $40.95...I can't believe the disparity between us and New Jersey
     
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  17. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    I pay about what Jack does for Weihenstephan here in the cheapest city to live in the country (Wichita).
     
  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Joe, nobody had a gun to my head when I bought that case.

    I will admit that when Iris told me the price I did say out loud: Whoa!!:flushed:

    Ah, you only live once so let's all have a good time and drink some good beer!!:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
  19. Groenebeor

    Groenebeor Initiate (0) Feb 14, 2009 California

    They didn't have any of this on tap anymore when I got to Kansas City :slight_frown:
     
  20. laketang

    laketang Meyvn (1,343) Mar 22, 2015 Arizona
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    yes I want to try this .should be good.
     
  21. msscott1973

    msscott1973 Devotee (432) Dec 28, 2013 North Carolina

    Having one now. Two thumbs up.
     
  22. lewisti

    lewisti Initiate (165) Nov 7, 2001 Connecticut

    This beer is awesome i had it on draft at the Student Prince in Springfield Mass. in a special Weihenstephan dimpled stein, its a great lower abv compliment to the maibocks on tap now
     
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  23. MooseBoose

    MooseBoose Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2007 Wisconsin

    I want to try this but it hasn't made it to LA Crosse, at least not as of last week. Sucks for me.
     
  24. Jaycase

    Jaycase Meyvn (1,393) Jan 13, 2007 Illinois
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    A couple places mentioned on the Total Beverage Solution beer finder. Although one looks to be a restaurant.
     
  25. Grindelvasdrum

    Grindelvasdrum Initiate (0) Aug 9, 2015 Kentucky

    Happy reinheitsgebot 500th anniversary!
     
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  26. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  27. nick0417

    nick0417 Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2014 Illinois

    For what it's worth, as a huge fan of this style which doesn't receive a ton of love in the US or in Germany, this beer is outstanding. Simply outstanding. A few great versions are being brewed in the states - Urban Chestnut, Southampton, and New Glarus just released a zwickel, which is a kissing cousin - but this beer knocked my socks off. Will definitely be picking up another sixer before it vanishes.
     
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  28. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    How would you compare and contrast the 1516 beer with New Glarus Zwickel?

    Cheers!

    P.S. Also feel free to include New Glarus Two Women in the mix if you are so inclined.
     
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  29. nick0417

    nick0417 Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2014 Illinois

    The 1516 is definitely more robust on the palate - much breadier, much more substantial mouthfeel, little hop emphasis. NG's Zwickel on the other hand is lighter bodied, a little more lively in terms of carbonation, and has more of floral and lemony notes that I attribute to the hops, not the yeast. Both are excellent, excellent beers - just depends on personal preference and what you're in the mood for. Gun to the head, I think I prefer 1516 just because of how lush and full-bodied it is while remaining super, super drinkable - and that says a lot because NG is my favorite brewery.

    Sadly, it's been too long since I've had Two Women, so I can't really speak to how it fits in - though, if pressed, I would say Two Women drinks much cleaner than 1516 or Zwickel, which share a chewy, unfiltered aspect to the finish.
     
  30. JerryIsAlive

    JerryIsAlive Initiate (0) May 30, 2012 Florida

    Just picked up a single. Weihenstephaner's Hefe is my favorite all time so figured I'd give it a whirl
     
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  31. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Would it be fair to say that for your palate 1516 is more on the malty side of the spectrum and NG Zwickel is a tad more on the hop flavor side of the spectrum?

    Malty ------------------------------1516-----------------NG Zwickel------------------------------------------Hop Flavor


    Cheers!
     
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  32. nick0417

    nick0417 Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2014 Illinois

    Indeed. Just depends what you're looking for in your German lager. Of course I like some of that Noble hop character, but I'm more out for some great malt/yeast character. 1516 delivers on that front.

    Like I said though, both really stellar beers. Happily take either at any time.
     
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  33. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for all your inputs. NG Zwickel is unavailable to me so I have to live my life vicariously through you!

    Cheers!

    Edit: I discussed my impressions on 1516 a New Beer Sunday thread: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/new-beer-sunday-week-582.407559/#post-4697030
     
  34. Nin10dude64

    Nin10dude64 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2016 California

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    The only way to drink it :wink:
     
  35. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (2,854) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I hate to be contrary, but as someone who has had this style numerous times in Germany -- and also love Urban Chestnut's Zwickel (when fresh), I really think the 1516 lacks character. Personally, I believe it's the method of removing the sedimentt and Pasteurization of the beer before export that stunted any really good character this beer may have had.

    To me, the other offerings Weihenstepahner sends to us are much better beers than the 1516 and I'd choose any of them first. If you haven't tried Korbinian or Vitus I highly suggest you sample them next to the 1516 for comparison.
     
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  36. Nin10dude64

    Nin10dude64 Initiate (0) Feb 19, 2016 California

    I suck at formatting :v
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  37. nick0417

    nick0417 Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2014 Illinois

    No worries on being contrary - to each his own, my good man. I've run the gamut of Weihenstepahner's lineup - of course, all wonderful beers, though I think my favorite is their dunkelweizen. For me, 1516 is right up there among their best - but again, personal taste, you know?
     
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  38. Jacobier10

    Jacobier10 Poo-Bah (2,401) Feb 23, 2004 New Jersey
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    A little late to the party, but I finally got my hands on some 1516. I won't go too much into detail as several others have described it very well already, but I have to say I really enjoyed it and it was well worth the wait.

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    I decanted when pouring, leaving as much yeast in the bottle as I could, but it still had a slight haze to it. Tons of fresh, rich, bready malt in the aroma. I actually got a decent amount of spicy hops in both the aroma and flavor that resulted in a very dry and bitter finish. However, the balance between the malt and hops kept it extremely drinkable.  I will try adding the yeast next time to see how it changes things.

    This drinks almost like a cross between a Helles and a Marzen to me, but with a more pronounced hop character than either. I will wait until I have a few more from the 6-pack before writing a review, but the initial impression was excellent!
     
  39. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Poo-Bah (1,662) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Wow, that looks very hazy to me. Looks like the bottles in which I purposely swirled and poured the dregs in. Interesting.

    Without dregs...

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    With dregs...

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    A slightly hoppier Vienna then?
     
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  40. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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