Weihenstephaner 1516 Kellerbier

Hmm, perhaps I wasn't as careful as I thought... Judging by your photos it looks like I got more of the dregs in there than intended. It's possible the yeast got roused a bit before I opened the bottle. I looked back at your previous post in the thread comparing with/without the yeast and you noted that it was more astringent with the yeast. That could explain some of the hop bitterness I perceived.

That is a really good comparison, actually. The main difference being that sometimes I get caramel malt from a Vienna that I did not notice at all in the 1516.

 

Probably melanoidin character from the Maillard reaction of mashing and boiling the malts. Vienna (or Märzen) should have "...no significant caramel or roast flavors." to quote the 2015 BJCP Style Guidelines (and previous years' guidelines, for that matter).

 

I can easily see that. I think it's safe to say the 1516 contains certain characteristics from the Helles, Pilsner, Märzen, and Vienna styles.

 

In the answer you got, be aware that in German brewing dark malts are ones like Vienna and Munich malts, what we call dark malts are Farbe Malz (color malts).

 

Jeff, if you watch the video that I posted, Mario Schafer (the head brewmaster) commented that the beer was brewed using "Roasted Malt". Needless to say but Vienna and Munich Malts are not roasted malts.

So, it would appear that 1516 is brewed using a combination of Pale Malt and Roasted Malt. What would you guess is the specific Roasted Malt used?

Cheers!

Jack

@Crusader

 

A damn fine brew this is - I could down a case no problem apart from the price here - it's not cheap (nor should it be) but it is in that meaty craft beer price-range when their Weizen is cheaper.

 

As Jeff correctly pointed out, "roasted malts" (as we may understand the term) in German are referred to as Farbemalz. Clearly the reference to "dark roasted" malt (dunkels Roestmalz in the subtitles) in the video indicates either Munich or Vienna malts (most commonly referred to as dunkles malz). Seems to be some cognitive dissonance going on here...

 

Dark Munich.
http://amihopfen.com/Malz/Sackware-25kg/BEST-Muenchner-Malz-dunkel-25kg::805.html?language=de
http://amihopfen.com/Malt/25kg-Sacks/BEST-Munich-Malt-dark-25kg::805.html?language=en

 

Jeff stated: "German brewing dark malts are ones like Vienna and Munich malts..."

Nowhere did he mention Roasted Malt.

Cheers!

 

So, Germans would refer to Dark Munich Malt using the English words "Roasted Malt"?

Cheers!

 

More cognitive dissonance?

 

How about just letting Jeff respond.

 

Didn't realize you address your questions to him in the third person....

 

Nah. They get that dark color from food dye.

 

In a Homebrew batch you can use pounds of Munich, and maybe tweak the color if you want with A pinch of Carafa. Just using Carafa won't give the flavors of Maillard reactions, it would start to taste burnt.

Jack, there are things that don't translate so well in both directions.

 

Jeff, thanks for the help here. Much appreciated.

Cheers!

 

I finally got some! It's definitely drinking like a hefty Vienna to me, maybe a bit more hop aroma, but I'm also getting that slight malty bite on the back end that I believe @steveh mentioned (?). It stays in fair territory for me, just giving it a bit of an appealing edge, but I could see how it could problematic for some. The first half-liter is going down quick, though .

 

Just had one today. Holy crap, was it good. What an awesome beer. Need to get me some more of it.

 

Picked up a six pack yesterday after finally finding it. Already went thru half of it! Which is not crazy to some, but it is VERY rare for me to drink the same beer twice in a day, let alone three. May be a first for me. Lol

Completely blown away by this beer. It really is phenomenal. Easily one of the best lagers I've had. Already planning to head back to the store and grab another six pack of it.

 

I'm late to the party but this beer is amazing. I'm grabbing more tomorrow. I'm getting a great bread and honey profile with spicy and earthy hops. Very well balanced and refreshing. A winner!