What are we going to do with Places?

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Nov 17, 2019.

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    This deserves its own thread...
    Indeed. It's always been this way, but in recent years the activity has dropped significantly. To the point that it's impact the section's usefulness as it stands now. So any lists based on ratings is definitely going to reflect this.

    Number of Place Ratings:
    2019 = 12,600 (so far)
    2018 = 18,300
    2017 = 22,100
    2016 = 31,200
    2015 = 52,900

    We're currently reviewing the section, but my gut tells me that we'll probably turn off rating Places, archive reviews, and focus our efforts on new ideas.
     
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  2. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    Wow! That’s huge and rapid. Ranking places might help boost ratings. A lot of work for an experiment though.

    Do you expect to allow new places to be added, and updated?
     
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  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Yes. We'd still allow new places to be added, but we'd look at other ways to integrate them. We never wanted to be Yelp.
     
  4. SLeffler27

    SLeffler27 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,906) Feb 24, 2008 New York
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    This makes good sense. After all the beer is generally the real attraction.

    I have been to many remote places where the quality of the place was remarkably better than expectations. So... Maybe, instead of collecting user ratings just an option for user comments. Still your point about not being Yelp raises concerns for how a simple comments field can be misused.
     
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  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Yeah. The comments tend to be an issue and subject to abuse by those looking to review everything but the beer.

    I'm thinking a simple thumbs up (or down) rating could be useful, and existing ratings could easily be converted after being archived.
     
  6. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    As someone who uses the Places section and the reviews, I would ask that if the Place Ratings were scrapped, that we still have the ability to give a review and maybe a check-in feature. Places and the Forums are the main reasons I like BA over Untappd.
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    I'm open to ideas. No decisions have been made yet.
     
  8. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    I'd suggest leaving the current process for Places but eliminate the rating, and instead allow a check-in feature. This way, you can track places you have been to, and even leave a review if you want. But it would scrap the perhaps antiquated and underutilized rating system for Places.
     
  9. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    It seems like maybe having place ratings/reviews only for breweries/tasting rooms and creating a top 250 breweries list might streamline things and gin up some interest for the places tab. In my experience there are some areas where the places list is super useful but for the most part I find just posting in the appropriate regional forum to be a better way to get an accurate and current read on where the good bars/stores are in an area
     
  10. Tilley4

    Tilley4 Pooh-Bah (2,811) Nov 13, 2007 Tennessee
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    I have noticed the same thing about the places section... when I do open that up to look for new locations or get info about a city, all of the information is always a couple of years old.
     
  11. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Reviewing places is difficult, since two of the categories are open to interpretation and personal preference. Vibe and Quality can both vary widely depending on the person. Quality leaves a lot of room for interpretation too. What is quality? Perhaps fine craftsmanship went into the bar top (i.e. quality), but the experience wasn't quality.

    Vibe is important too, but is too subjective. For this reason, I spend nearly 3/4 of all my place reviews describing the vibe so users can determine if this does or does not work for them. I can see why others would shy away from this question.

    I'd love to see place reviews stay, but simplify them. Perhaps just: Selection & Service.

    Lastly, allowing instant review of a place after adding may be helpful. The place could still be verified by site staff before the posting goes live, but it allows the user to share his/her thoughts on the establishment without having to periodically check on the status of the place approval. I tend to use my business trips to find and try new places. My intent is always to review them, at least for my own memory's sake, but with the delay process in adding a place - that habit has fallen away. It may take several weeks before a place gets approved and now I have to review via notes/memory. It makes me wonder if there are others skipping adding places for the same reason.

    Beer reviews are definitely the focal point, but I think the places section of Beer Advocate sets it apart from other beer and review sites. I don't care what a random user on Google/Yelp has to say about a beer place - I want to know what a beer-centric forum member has to say.
     
  12. tone77

    tone77 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,359) May 20, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I enjoy the place reviews and use this section whenever I travel. I would hate to see it gone.
     
  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It's not going away. It simply needs to evolve and become useful in new ways.
     
  14. wingedeel

    wingedeel Savant (1,190) Nov 17, 2005 Indiana
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    I still try and keep my neck of the woods updated when new breweries open up, and use places as a tool when I visit areas I am less familiar. As for the actual reviews, I guess I might skim over them, but I doubt many of them actually get read.
     
  15. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    I travel a ton for work, and use the Places and the local forums for recon. Not only do I read place reviews, I try to leave a quick review myself on the Places to play it forward. Without the BA resources for where to go, I'd have missed a bunch of great beer spots.
     
  16. sulldaddy

    sulldaddy Grand Pooh-Bah (5,716) Apr 6, 2003 Connecticut
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    I like to use the places feature to find places. I will definitely add places if I find something not in the BA system. When I do add somewhere I try to do a review and comments as part of my add. For some reason it feels like I need to put more effort into reviewing a place than a beer, even though process and form here is almost identical.

    A more streamlined check in method may increase inputs of new places and with new brewerries popping up so frequently, this could help with updating and keeping up to date. Which in turn would help improve the mapping of "nearby" in the places option.

    any streamline should still have an option for comments and text input to provide more in depth insights on a spot.

    Ill think on this some more, as I do value the places option here on BA.
     
  17. emerge077

    emerge077 Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,962) Apr 16, 2005 Illinois
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    The Places section is one of the most useful resources on BA, despite it's minor flaws. Updating and integrating the Nearby function would improve usage for sure. Gearing it more towards travel, adding a radius function and a check-in option would also be useful upgrades.
     
  18. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    I agree with this. I find Places very useful when traveling. I try to add/review as many as i can. I always search breweries and stores closet to the hotel,and decide from written reviews as to what is of interest Written reviews are the best as what is one person 's like is not necessarily an others. .
     
  19. elNopalero

    elNopalero Grand Pooh-Bah (5,822) Oct 14, 2009 Michigan
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    I use Places, and add when I can. I have a backlog of ratings and reviews to post. Knowing this might make an impact will motivate me! While they’re useful when I’m local I especially value the places reviews when traveling or planning to travel ... or daydreaming about traveling!
     
  20. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Thanks, I know it's dated but is still useful for seeking out top beer stores when traveling.
     
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