What do I need to start lagering?

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  1. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I love lagers, love them! But I am not set up to brew them. What am I going to need to do this? I would imagine I am going to need some kind of mini-fridge that'll fit my carboy. From what little I do know about brewing lagers, I would think I am then going to have to progressively lower the temperature of said mini-fridge. So for those of you that are lagering, what do you use? Any recommendations? Any things I should avoid?

    As always, thanks in advance to the knowledgeable community of homebrewers that exist here on BA.

    Salute!
     
  2. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    I use a chest freezer with an external temperature controller. The temp controller allows me great flexibility in adjusting temps. I can set it at 48-52 for the primary phase, let it warm to 65 or so for a diacetyl rest, and then drop it slowly (about 4 degrees a day) until I get to 33 or so for lagering. It's a lot more accurate than just turning the dial on a fridge, IMO.
     
  3. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Basically, you'll need a temperature controlled fridge or freezer. I ferment lagers at about 50F and lager them at 40F or a bit lower. BTW, the fermentation stage isn't really 'lagering' (as in your post title) but I take it you're asking about that too. The lagering stage happens after fermentation, and you'll need a secondary carboy or a keg for that. You really don't want the beer on the yeast cake while lagering.
     
  4. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    Good point. I left that step out.
     
  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I know several people who just use their garage in the early Spring or late Fall. There's some gambling in trying to get the weather right for a few weeks, but I've tasted some good stuff that was done naturally. I'm just stating this because you don't NEED a fridge or a therm control. It's a hellovalot easier and you can lager 365.
     
  6. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Thanks for all the advice (and for schooling me on a few things). While I would love to do it naturally by tossing it in my basement or shed, the Rhode Island weather is way too chaotic to pull that off. Looks like a temp controlled fridge is what I need. What's the estimated cost on one of those (obviously not some piece of crap or something too expensive)?
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd look for a chest freezer on craigslist and/or garage sales. I got mine for $20. Delivered. Then the expensive thing will be the controller. I use Johnson A419 digital controllers. Google for the best prices.

    Edit: Or you could build a controller, if you're handy with electronics.
    Further Edit: Some people have had success modifying the thermostats on their freezers to get them to work in fermentation/lagering ranges, saving the cost of a controller.
     
  8. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    My history in working with electronics starts and ends with playing the game Operation when I was like 7. So that's not gonna work, ha ha ha....I'll check google. Thanks again for the words of wisdom.
     
  9. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    I have two Johnson A419s and make sure you get the pre-wired version! It's godawful trying to wire them yourself.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Come to think of it, even with the pre-wired version, you have to open it and move a jumper to switch from heating mode to cooling mode (or vice versa). I forget which the default is. OP: Don't worry, it's not that hard to move the jumper.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “Don't worry, it's not that hard to move the jumper.” It’s just like removing a wrenched ankle!:wink:

    Cheers!
     
  12. Jtc2811

    Jtc2811 Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2011 California

    If you are a DIY kind of guy, it's very possible to get a fridge or chest freezer close to free (I see chest freezers on Craigslist for as little 25$) and then hook up an external temp controller.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I wish I'd thought of that. :slight_smile:
     
  14. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I use a mini fridge with a fermwrap and temp controller for primary fermentation. I have a full sized fridge without a freezer that can fit up to 10 cornies that I use for a kegerator and for lagering.

    The primary mini fridge/heating element isn't the most efficient system in the work, but it keeps the temp within one degree of my desired temp.
     
  15. carteravebrew

    carteravebrew Initiate (0) Jan 21, 2010 Colorado

    You don't NEED this, but being that lagers typically need bigger propagations of yeast, you may want to look into a stir plate to build up big, healthy starters and some kind of oxygenation system.

    Again, not absolutely needed, but it helps. And they are tools you can use for any beer, really.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That's a good point. Without a stir-plate, you're looking at some pretty big starters (volume-wise) for some lagers.
     
  17. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Can someone elaborate on why some lagers need larger starters than ales? Lower fermentation temps?
     
  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    That may be part of it, but these strains have adapted to low temps. IMO the main benefit of pitching more cells for lagers is that there will be less propagation of cells in the beer wort. This means less esters, which is a good thing in lagers.
     
  19. Timmush

    Timmush Pundit (931) Jan 5, 2008 New Jersey

    sorry to interrupt, but why cant you lager in the same bucket as your primary?
     
  20. jokelahoma

    jokelahoma Savant (1,162) May 9, 2004 Missouri

    You'll want to lager at least four weeks. (I believe I've read somewhere the rule of thumb is one week for every .08 of gravity, e.g. 5 weeks for a 1.040 beer, 10 weeks for a bigger 1.080 doppelbock, etc., but I'm not sure many homebrewers go that long). Add that to the two weeks or more you'll be in primary before lagering even begins, and you're starting to push the envelope regarding autolysis. That's not to say that you will definitely get autolysized flavors if you lager in your primary, but why risk it? I'm generally anti-secondary, but but even I'll rack over when aging a big beer for an extended period or when lagering.

    EDIT: I just noticed you said "bucket". If you were lagering a long period in an oxygen permeable bucket (such as a bottling bucket) you might start seeing oxidation issues as well. Again, not guaranteed you would, but why risk it?
     
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