What Exactly Is A 5.0 Beer Rating?

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  1. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Your segue' between a 9.9 woman to Mike Tyson being a 10 wasn't very good. Now Mike is looking for you for calling him a woman. Just a word of warning, watch your back. :wink:
     
  2. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    I'm closing in on 3,000 beers rated on BA and I've given one beer a 5.0 (BCBS cherry rye). If a beer is so enjoyable that you really cannot find anything its lacking, and its right there with any of beer in that style, than to me it warrants a 5. Everyone rates to their preference, but to me a 5.0 across the board signifies this beer is as good as it gets for your enjoyment of that style.
     
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  3. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    I feel this way too. Which is why when I gave my one and only 5.0 rating, it was more about "I've had enough beers to know what traits are exceptional, and this beer has done that". I almost always find one aspect that is really good but not a 5.0. In all fairness I also have given very few beers a rating under 2.0, for similar reasons (and because I check BA to avoid bad beer).
     
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  4. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’m armed and too old to fight fair.
     
  5. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I did 4 years in the Marines, and that’s an impossibility, but it also why we didn’t use weapons.
     
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  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I’ve only seen one guy cut by a straight razor, and in Jacksonville NC a guy at the door pulled a gun, both were on the. Court St bars in Jacksonville, other than that all hands, some kicking too. Everyone takes an ass kicking every now and then, but once you escalate to weapons your obligated to win that fight at all costs. Then you both go to jail.
     
  7. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Guess you weren't in the same units my marine friends were in. :wink: (or my army and AF friends)

    Or maybe they just *told* you that so they'd be armed and you'd be out in the breeze! :grin:
     
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  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I might agree with that though, the different styles can make it a bit confusing though. It’s just a me thing, but if yiu see me rate anything above 4.5 it’s probably a good buy for anyone, but this is one reason why I really don’t care to rate beers. I killed myself to get a Cherry Rye, and every sip I took it reminded me of an infected Stout I had from Duck Rabbit and it had a sour cherry hit to it. I can’t drink BA Ten Fidy anymore either the last one I had was a repulsive soy bomb.
     
  9. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Don’t matter what unit your from military bars are military bars, but there rarely were fights. The MPs walked with the Jacksonville Police, you got in trouble they threw you in the brig and you got office hours. Punishment depended, but loss of rank, reduction of pay for 3 months, restricted to quarters, all the above. Surprisingly everyone mostly behaved themselves. Most fight were beefs settled in the woods at French Creek, no witnesses, no weapons. Now I didn’t hang out in the Cowboy bar, I might guess that would be a different animal though.

    Let me add that UCMJ laws are not civilian laws, and it can be a supreme pain in the ass to get felony level charges in the Military. A pool stick is a weapon and you’d be severely fucked if you were arrested. Brig time plus a dishonorable discharge, they didn’t play games.
     
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  10. socon67

    socon67 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,895) Jun 18, 2010 New York
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    Yep, everyone's palate and experience is different. I run into this with sours often. The sours I like (Russian River styles) are not the sours my local beer friends prefer.
     
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  11. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I like tart, I don’t like vinegar, I like some light funk, but not catty or horse blanket. Some guys dig that stuff.
     
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  12. Negt

    Negt Aspirant (283) Jan 27, 2021 Massachusetts
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    I don’t find much enjoyment in rating beers so I don’t rate them, but I absolutely use ratings to select what beers I’ll be trying for the first time, which isn’t often. I sort of stick to what I like.
     
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  13. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    And you need to understand the ratings bias for certain styles as well. Ipas and Lagers are rated differently as an example.
     
  14. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Just as point of reference for those positing that a perfect beer is a flawless beer:

    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/perfect

    A given beer could done as well as possible, and still not be flawless. It could be worthy of a 5.
     
  15. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    Well, for me, a 5.0 isn't necessarily about what I like best; it's about best execution. Of course there is overlap.

    Take super dank or weedy IPAs. They're not my favorite, but that doesn't make their execution poor, so I don't penalize them for my preference. Not sure I could give a dank IPA a perfect 5.0 in Taste, because I'm not sure if I could tell what "perfection" is like in a style (or sub-style) I don't love.

    But beer styles that I do love? Say, two perfectly executed bourbon barrel aged imperial stouts, 5.0 across the board. Maybe one has cherries and vanilla added, and the other has nothing added. Because I love cherries and vanilla, maybe that first hypothetical BBA imperial stout would be my favorite - I might love it more - but that doesn't mean they aren't both 5.0 in flavor.

    Another good example for me is Heady Topper versus Pliny the Elder. PtE is the only beer I have ever given straight 5.0s across the board, because I literally could not see any aspect of that beer being improved. Yet, in terms of flavor profile, I prefer Heady, even though I don't have it rated as a perfect beer. Perhaps there's the tiniest amount of room for improvement, but that flavor profile is, for me, subjectively more of what I want to drink regularly (before the recent talk of Heady becoming much weedier, anyway).

    If I literally cannot imagine a beer being improved in an area (which is rare), it earns a 5.0. Simple as that. :slight_smile:
     
  16. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    I also think your point holds true not just of 5.0 beers, but of any beer you rate earlier in your journey. Palates and preferences change, as do styles, techniques, varietals, etc.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/17981/46363/?ba=Roguer#review

    That right there is my original review of Cigar City Jai Alai, rated 4.67. When I first had it back in 2013, I'd never really had an IPA like it, except maybe Enjoy By (which is higher ABV by around 2%) or the original Flower Power. It wasn't just hoppy; it was juicy. Still bitter, and noticeably malty. It absolutely blew me away.

    While I still love Jai Alai, if I had never had it before, and stumbled upon it now, 3000+ reviews in, there's no way I would rate it so high. It's no longer unique, although it's still exceptionally good. Am I going back and editing my review based on my newer experiences, and based on brewers' newer techniques and hop varietals? Absolutely not. Each review is based on the beer in my glass, at the time I review it; if the beer changes, it may be worth revisiting the rating, but if I change (or find something different), I'm not touching my original rating.

    If one holds out the belief that you can always find something better, and therefore a 5.0 is kind of off-limits, what you've really done is just moved the bar lower, but the bar is still there. If you rate something 4.95, and you find something better: what then? Does that get a 5.0? Does the 4.95 get bumped down to make room for the new beer? The same problem exists, just at a different number.

    Just my .02. I'm not saying anyone is wrong for never bestowing a 5.0 - and I prefer that approach to the people who give any beer they like 5.0s across the board. It's just not my approach. :slight_smile:
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It’s why I’m lukewarm on rating beers, my style preference is sooooo narrow.

    Let me also add the Flower Power of today is not the same animal that it was 10 years ago that was a great beer. Brewer left, not the same beer. Same story imo with Surly beers.
     
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  18. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I add consistency into account a ton of brewers have recipe and calculations yes but those not doing it autonomously like Allagash and Boston Beer Co show real skill when not using computers.
     
  19. Roguer

    Roguer Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,811) Mar 25, 2013 Connecticut
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    100%. OG Flower Power was one of those light bulb beers that blew me away. Modern Flower Power is literally not as good, and that's not just palate shift or preference. It's a different beer. :slight_frown:
     
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  20. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I agree sadly true, Furious gone, Abrasive gone, Flower Power gone, all great beers that couldn’t stand losing their creator. There’s more to it looks like than following a recipe.
     
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