What IPA should I make next?

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  1. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    I've brewed about a half-dozen IPAs so far, so I'm starting to get an idea of what I do or don't like. That said, I don't feel nearly confident enough to design my own recipe just yet, since there are so many variations that I still haven't dabbled with. What I do know is that I enjoy Vermont IPAs from the big names (Heady Topper, HF, Lawson's and to a lesser extent, Fiddlehead) because of their soft mouthfeel, huge hop flavor/aroma and dialed-back bitterness. I also know that I'm sick of brewing with Centennial, because almost every recipe I've done so far has featured that hop at some point. I'm interested in experimenting with Citra, which I know I like, as well as Galaxy, Nelson Sauvin and or CTZ, since those feature in beers I've enjoyed in the past. I'd also be interested in trying a more trendy yeast, like Conan or London III. I don't care too much about clarity either way, but I do like a beer with a stiff, pillowy head. Does anyone have a recipe to suggest that would let me combine a few of those ideas into something delicious? I don't know enough about specialty malts and hop proportions to design one from the ground up without it becoming a muddled mess.
     
  2. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    From the sounds of it, a zombie dust clone spin-off with a Vermont yeast may be up your alley, maybe drop the crystal malt and replace with wheat. See this recipe for a rough idea... I referenced a few different ones and tweaked slightly for mine, but it will give you a baseline:

    http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=303478

    All citra hop, it's delicious (just brewed it myself)... But you can swap out the US-04 for the Conon and give it a try.
     
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  3. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Grain Bill
    60 - 70% Base Malt
    10-20% oats
    10 - 30% wheat malt
    Touch of dextrin (optional as the wheat and oats will give good head retention and body)
    crystal (@3%) for color
    I personally like a higher % of wheat malt with a lower % of oats. I would target around 20 - 30% between the two. I have a beer fermenting right now with 20% wheat malt and 10% flaked oats. I wouldn't use flaked wheat and flaked oats.

    London 3 yeast. 1318 has good attenuation, flexible temp to work with and has a nice Fruity esters is you want or clean fermentation. I have fermented low @63 and got clean fermentation and 80% attentuation. More esters ferment around 68 or even as high as 70. Easy to work with and is versatile. Just have good head space as the krausen is crazy thick and high. Never used Conan but heard it can be finicky, and London 3 is easy and awesome.

    Small bittering charge between .25 and .50 ozs at first wort or 60
    Small flavor hop addition around 10 min between .75 - 1 oz
    @4 -5 ozs of hops at flameout/hop stand
    @5 oz of dry hops split between krausen and in the keg. I started doing 4ozs @3 days in and then 2 ozs in the keg that I let sit for 2 - 3 days before cooling and carbing.

    Build your water from RO with calcium chloride and gypsum. I have gone all the way but my last beer was 120ppm chloride and 60ppm sulfate and it was my softest and creamest beer. You could also go a little lighter like 100ppm/50ppm

    Citra and mosaic or citra and Galaxy are my two personal favorite hop combos. Based on trillium recipes I layer them by using the same hop for bittering and 10 min the use the 2nd hop in the hop stand and then same hop then hops stand and then mix them for dry hopping 2:1 with the second hop.
     
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  4. STL_Todd

    STL_Todd Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2015 Missouri

    Soft mouth feel? Get into water quality or use up to 70% RO water or 50% distilled for that effect. Bittering will be easy to control after 6 batches. Aroma & fresh hop taste come from last additions, dry hopping, hop oils, hop rocket or similar filtering. You might want to look into that last one if IPA's are your main thing, DIY can be built on the cheap (2 2 liter bottles, some cheese cloth, saran wrap and duct tape.)

    Probably the best advice I can give you is pick a base recipe and alter it up one step at a time in developing "your IPA". We all have different tastes and after 6 batches you are probably ready to find your own. I personally found it very helpful to do SMASH beers (single malt/single hop) for hop understanding, but the malt base being single was not as beneficial for me and limited several beers enjoyment through the trials. YMMV
     
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  5. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Thanks for the comments, everyone.

    @invertalon That Zombie Dust recipe looks pretty good and I wouldn't be surprised if I make it eventually. However, I think that the recipe that @GetMeAnIPA posted hits a few more of the bullet points that I want to investigate right now. Not entirely sure I understand this one part, though:

    Assuming I use Citra and Galaxy (I'd love to make something akin to HF's Society & Solitude #4), then which hops would you add when?

    I already build my water up from RO using gypsum and calcium chloride, so that's no problem. I'll probably aim for 120/60 like you said and see how I like it.
     
  6. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Citra 60 min or first wort @.25 - .50 ozs.
    10 min citra (.50 - 1oz)
    Hop stand 3oz citra, 1 oz Galaxy
    Dry hop day 3/4 - 3 oz Galaxy
    Dry hop in keg - 1 oz Galaxy, 1 oz citra

    Adjust to your target Ibus and preference. If you prefer more Galaxy or citra. Some people skip the bittering hop and add more hop stand. I still like to add a small amount of first wort as I like how the bitterness comes across. I keep between .25 - .50.

    When I brewed my citra and Galaxy my friend said it was like a better more hoppy Nelson IPA from Alpine. He was talking about the Nelson straight from alpine not the the green flash stuff. Big tropical and citrus notes.
     
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  7. Slatetank

    Slatetank Grand Pooh-Bah (3,713) Oct 9, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Red's rye...sorry I love that citrus/rye combo
     
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  8. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    All right, based on your suggestions, here's what I'm thinking of doing. I don't have a good bag for keg hopping yet, so I'll probably combine all the dry hops into one charge that I'll put in around day 5 and leave for a week before kegging. Let me know if this looks right:

    OG 1.067
    FG 1.013

    70% 2-row
    20% wheat malt
    10% flaked oats
    0.2 lbs of crystal something

    0.25 oz Citra @60
    1 oz Citra @10
    3 oz Citra + 1 oz Galaxy @0 (30 minute stand before chilling)
    Dry hop with 3 oz Galaxy + 1.75 oz Citra

    London III, ferment at 64F
    Water ~100ppm chloride/50ppm sulfate

    What would you recommend for mash temp, something like 150F?
     
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  9. Beerswimmer

    Beerswimmer Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2013 Texas

    Try WLP644, it's my favorite yeast for hoppy beers. It matches up perfectly with fruity American and New Zealand hops. I get huge mango flavor and aroma from it.
     
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  10. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Looks like a good "New England" style IPA. Ferment low like 150/149 to drive fermentability. The oats, wheat, water and yeast will give if body. Would love to hear how this turns out...cheers!
     
  11. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    If I would change anything about it, it would be to use something else to bitter, and then plug that extra 1/4oz of Citra into dry-hop. I noticed that your quantities add up to even ounces. Are you buying hops by the ounce just for this beer, or using stuff you've purchased in bulk already? Do you have any other high AA hops lying around?
     
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  12. suavo

    suavo Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2014

    G’s Citra Burst Pale Ale (Bertus) #123

    SG: 1.045
    OG: 1.052
    FG: 1.009

    ABV: 5.6 %

    6 Gallons

    5 lbs Halcyon
    5 lbs 2-Row
    1 lb Munich
    .5 lb Abbey
    6 oz CaraPils
    5 oz C60

    .75 - 22 g CTZ FWH (I prefer mash hop but is forboden)

    Irish Moss - 15 minutes

    Blend: 2oz Citra, and 1.5 oz ea Amarillo and Simcoe. Add:
    1.33oz (37g) @ 15
    1.66oz (46g) @ 5
    2 oz @ 0 Whirlpool @ 180 down to 160

    Dry Hop: at 13 days for 8 days
    1.5 oz Citra
    .75 oz Amarillo
    .75 oz Simcoe

    Mash/Sparge/Boil 60 minute boil

    sacc1 0 60 152
    mash out 0 10 168 168 Infuse 194 full tun

    Optional: 1 oz Liberty Caps day 21 for 2 days (gives a bit of clarity)


    WLP644 Brett Trois Ferment at 19 C
     
  13. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Here's another suggestion

    6 lbs rah rah 2 row
    6 lb Maris otter
    .5 lb L60
    .5 lb victory
    .5 lb carapills
    Mash 148 to 150
    I use spring water
    Hops
    60 minutes .5 Columbus
    30 minutes .5 chinook
    15 minutes 1oz each galexy Columbus cascade
    5 minutes 1 oz each galexy cascade simco
    Flame out 1 oz each citra galexy
    Yeast
    Nottingham starter
    65-68 degrees 5 days
    Dry hop .5 oz each citra galexy Amarillo for 3 days
    Bottle or keg
     
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  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I agree that this yeast is a good one to try, and I think your pairing ideas could be lovely. However, I will caution that, unless White Labs has changed their packaging strategy for this yeast, they are packing a partial pitch meant for a secondary fermentation. If this is still the case, homebrewers will want to step it up a 2-3 times or so to pitch as a primary yeast strain in an IPA strength beer.
     
  15. Beerswimmer

    Beerswimmer Initiate (0) Mar 4, 2013 Texas

    Yeah, it absolutely needs a big starter to be made.
     
  16. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Thanks for the suggestions, everyone! Looks like I have my next 5 or so IPA recipes chosen for me...
    Yes, I buy my hops by the ounce, so I was rounding to save on ingredient costs. I have some various hop dregs in my freezer that I could look into, but they aren't vacuum-sealed (which is why I buy hops by the ounce in the first place), so I don't know how fresh they are. I'm planning on dumping all my FO hops in as soon as I cut the heat and leaving them for 30 minutes before I chill, which should give me about 67 IBUs according to BrewCipher. Sounds like plenty to me!
     
  17. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Dammit, I was just putting together my ingredients order and the stores I usually order from are all out of London III. I found a thread here that said WLP007 was a decent replacement, so I guess I'll go with that instead. Disappointed that I won't get to try the trendiest yeast around with this batch, though.
     
  18. scbeerman

    scbeerman Initiate (0) Feb 16, 2015 South Carolina

    Been interested in trying this one for quite a while now but haven't had the time to do any brewing. Anybody want to build something around these characteristics and report back on how it is? Quantities aren't something I've even had time to think about lately but I've been thinking about interesting hop bills to work with.
    Malt bill: heavily slanted towards German Pilsner or Maris otter, can't decide which (or a combo)
    Hops: Bittering (55 minutes): Centennial and Chinook
    15 minutes: Centennial and Galaxy
    Whirlpool 30 minutes Galaxy and Pacific Jade
    Dry hop: 3 days Motueka and Galaxy
     
  19. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    To hell with it, I found an online shop that has London III and I'm going for it, even though it'll cost me an extra 10 bucks to order it there (mostly shipping fees). If I value my time at all, then the extra cost isn't that substantial, and it'll be worth it to be able to make the beer I want to make.
     
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  20. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    Brewed this last night and completely nailed my OG and volume. I left the kettle outside after adding the flameout hops, so my hop-stand temp might be a bit lower than planned on average - after 30 minutes, it had naturally fallen to 160F. Fermentation was underway 8 hours later, though the fearsome krausen I was warned about hasn't really manifested. I accidentally set it to about 63F to start with, but now I've got it where I want it, 65. Gonna give it a week, then a week on the dry hops, then into the keg. Really stoked about this one!
     
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