What is wrong with these beers?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BeachinBrews, Jul 31, 2015.

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  1. BeachinBrews

    BeachinBrews Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2015 California

    That was an awesome read, thanks for that... Here's a completely different approach to the discussion that you might find interesting as well... http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2013-01/beersci-what-difference-between-lager-and-ale
     
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  2. BeachinBrews

    BeachinBrews Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2015 California

    Lol, it's a sign of the times... How many ads do you see online where the tagline is, "Use this weird trick to reduce belly fat", or, "Homeowners paying off their mortgages using this one weird trick"... WEIRD SELLS :confused:
     
  3. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
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    That's Horst Dornbusch's site and is not to be trusted. He has no effing idea what he's talking about.
     
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  4. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Understand that a Kolsch is an ale based on brewing methods, but its flavor profile is much more closely in line with other German lagers (Pilsner or Helles) than say most any pale ale or IPA.
     
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  5. busternuggz

    busternuggz Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 California

    Forgive my crotchetiness.

    Yes I think a lot of them are obvious and/or just outdated picks. Since craft beer has become cool there's been a lot of these blog posts and articles about "must try" or "best" beers. Usually they're beers that BA has known about for years, and often they really aren't as great as they used to be when compared to some of the things that have come out since then, or some of the things that really are cutting edge. So lazy, amateur-at-best writers recycle this old, surface-level beer knowledge for click-bait and pass themselves off as experts (telling readers that Raspberry Tart is not available outside of Wisconsin would have been something worth mentioning, for instance).

    60 Minute is a great example. It's a fine beer, and it stood out in the market a lot more when it first came out some time in the early 2000's (maybe earlier? I ain't no historian). But when you compare it to the hundreds of IPA's that have come out since, with new hop varietals and such, it's pretty low on the list. It's riding it's old reputation, which the aforementioned writers are passing off as new and relevant.

    And Duchess I just think is gross. Way too sweet.

    Anyway. Keep drinking and learning what you like, and don't put too much stock in bloggers. Why is Wired writing about beer anyway? : P
     
  6. JimKal

    JimKal Savant (1,213) Jul 31, 2011 North Carolina

    It was an interesting article even if it was a bit short. I took the suggestions as just that, a example of the various styles. Given that it was written for a different audience than BA I think the intended audience would find the list helpful. While I have only had a few of the listed beers it seems to be an ok list. It was nice to see the graphic on the growth of the craft industry and I was surprised to see that Texas was so high on the list. Another example that size matters.
     
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  7. the_trystero

    the_trystero Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2013 California

    The sours go from mediocre to horrible.

    The saisons go from ok to blah.

    The other categories go from good to meh.

    Overall, the list is meh.
     
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  8. the_trystero

    the_trystero Initiate (0) Mar 19, 2013 California

    Duchess is disgusting.
     
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  9. lester619

    lester619 Initiate (0) Apr 17, 2009 Wisconsin

    Do it. Be that kinda guy. Teach them a lesson.
     
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  10. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    maybe people who complain that the writer wasn't a beer writer should consider that wired isn't (at least last time I checked) a beer journal, this was clearly written for people who don't know anything about beer but are looking to get into the world, judging it from this standpoint, while the writing still may be a little insubstantial, the list is just fine, and even as insubstantial as it is, do you really think the given readership of wired want to read a 5 page article on the process of creating a fucking sour beer or other such things, give me a fucking break, don't mock neophytes for they are just that, the list is fine, the elitism however, is not
     
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  11. mikevanatta

    mikevanatta Initiate (0) Sep 29, 2014 Minnesota

    How to correctly comment on an internet article in three steps:

    1. Don't
    2. Just, no
    3. Seriously don't
     
  12. stonesean

    stonesean Initiate (0) Mar 22, 2009 District of Columbia

    Every time I try one of the million hazy, slightly hop forward ales that craft brewers call "Kolsch" for some inexplicable reason, I wonder if they have ever ACTUALLY tasted a Gaffel or a Dom or any other actual Kolsch. If they have, I wonder why the hell the call them Kolsch in the first f&$king place......

    Oh, and the reason they chose the beers they chose is easy to figure out. Wired is a big international magazine. Every beer on that list is available in most places with minimal effort. I've had Dogfish 60 minute in Korea for heavens sake. It would do their readership absolutely no good to list regional favorites, no matter how good.
     
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  13. BeachinBrews

    BeachinBrews Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2015 California

    Thanks for chiming in... I'm basically trying to give myself a crash course in craft beers and finding out that something like 60 Minute is passe' to the truly "cutting edge" consumer is useful information. It's such a wide world of beer out there, it's a little hard to keep up. I just hope my liver holds out long enough for me to learn something :wink:
     
  14. BeachinBrews

    BeachinBrews Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2015 California

    Okay... So after much deliberation, I've reached the following conclusions...

    #1 - As far as the craft beer community goes, Wired is clearly not a go-to source of information regarding the latest and greatest. (I know, that one is obvious and didn't require a lengthy thread on a forum to figure out)

    #2 - I think lambpasty made a great point: "I think their target audience is probably not people who will drive to specific craft beer stores and seek out Weihenstephaner, but more the type to just go to a local shop and see what they can find on the shelf - and there's nothing wrong with that."

    #3 - I now feel comfortable referring to a Kolsch, or Kolsch-style beer as a lagered ale, because based on everything I've read, this is technically correct. The type of yeast and the method of fermentation is "all ale", but it then goes through a cooling process (lagering) normally associated with lagers. I know I'm stating the obvious to the crusters around here, but these are things I didn't even know or understand a week ago.

    #4 - Then there's this, which I happened to see in my local 7-11 over the weekend...

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    I must say, as someone who dabbles in a lot of West Coast-style IPAs, this thing seemed to hit an entirely different geography of my pallet. It's like the flavor hits more on the top of the tongue as opposed to the deeper effect of a typical IPA. It's not the first time I've tasted anything like it, but it IS the first time I went after something specifically marked as a "Kolsch style ale", and it did not disappoint.
     
  15. HuskyHawk

    HuskyHawk Initiate (0) Jun 5, 2014 Massachusetts

    The list is perfectly fine for the intended audience. I have few complaints with the list, except perhaps that 60 minute is a pretty heavily malty IPA in my view and that makes it less "summery". Pleased to see Boulevard Wheat and Little Sumpin Sumpin there. Also pleased not to see Leinenkugels Summer Shandy or Shock Top. Narragansett Dels might have been a worthy addition.
     
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  16. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    It's a decent list and I would happily drink any of the beers on the list. One of the nice things about the list is that most of the beers are accessible without having to get on an airplane and fly to both coasts. My dad used to say "why merely be thought a fool when you can open your mouth and remove all doubt." The people quoted by Beachinbrews commenting on the Wired article indicate that the old guy may have been on to something.
     
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  17. BeachinBrews

    BeachinBrews Initiate (0) Jul 29, 2015 California

    Lol, if we all followed such advise, I don't think there would be a forum here...
     
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