What should I do with this bière de garde?

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  1. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    My last brew of 2015 was a bière de garde using the recipe from BCS. It was a bit of a fiasco. I noted the wrong mash temp and started at 162 instead of 147, which took me almost 30 minutes and a bunch of ice to correct. The pitch of WLP011 that I got was really old and sluggish, plus it wouldn't flocculate so I had to pitch the whole 2L starter. My OG was 10 points low and my FG is currently 1.015, 7 points higher than it should be, after 4 weeks. It's hard to judge based on a warm, flat hydrometer sample, but the flavor seems closer to an English bitter than a bière de garde, there's not much by way of Belgian yeast flavors. It seems like it might be a little dull, based on what I've tasted so far, and a bit too sweet.

    So now I'm wondering if I should just bottle it, or if I should try something to make the beer more interesting. Is this the kind of problem that brett could solve? Are there other ways to add a bit of kick to a somewhat flat-tasting beer? I'm open to suggestions!
     
  2. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    It's difficult to judge a beers final flavor based on a young flat sample. If you want to try to recoup the expenses, my suggestions are: 1) Bottle it, if it's no good, pour it and learn from the ordeal. 2) Bottle it, if it is drinkable but not enjoyable, use it to stretch commercial beer and learn from the ordeal. 3) Bottle it, if it is enjoyable then succes and learn from the ordeal. Other possible solutions would be to dump it immediately and rebrew taking into consideration everthing that went wrong this time.
     
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  3. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I wouldn't brett anything that you wouldn't drink beforehand. It's like cooking with bad wine.
     
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  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Large doses of dry hops can sometimes hide a mistake . . . get 'em talking about the Amarillo or Citra or ? ? ?
     
  5. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    It doesn't sound like the effort to bottle would be worth it. But, it sounds like there is a lot left in the beer for brett to work on. Grab a bottle of Orval, enjoy the Orval and pitch the dregs in the fermenter and see what happens. Best case you end up with magic, worst case is you enjoyed a bottle of Orval :slight_smile:
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    What exactly are your expectations here?

    From the White Labs website:

    WLP011 European Ale Yeast

    Malty, Northern European-origin ale yeast. Low ester production, giving a clean profile. Little to no sulfur production. Low attenuation helps to contribute to the malty character. Good for Alt, Kolsch, malty English ales, and fruit beers.”

    It seems to me that other than the specific gravity aspects your beer is consistent with this yeast strain.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. MCBanjoMike

    MCBanjoMike Initiate (0) Aug 7, 2014 Canada (QC)

    That was kind of what I figured the answer would be.

    Hmm, I wouldn't know what kind of hops to use. If I choose badly, it would probably make things worse rather than better.

    Well I'm definitely planning on at least bottling it. The sample wasn't gross, it was just a bit bland. It's at least worth seeing it through to its proper carbonated state. Still, if I wanted to get creative and pitch Orval dregs into part of the batch, say a gallon, would one bottle's worth of dregs be enough? Unfortunately, I don't have a fermenter small enough to do one gallon, so I might just save that idea for a later batch.

    I didn't design the recipe, so I just chose the recommended yeast strain. But yeah, looking at that description, it seems pretty consistent with what I got! Maybe I should have chosen a different recipe. Bière de garde is a pretty wide category, this recipe might not even be designed to yield something like the ones I've had.
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Below is from the BJCP style guidelines:

    “24C. Bière de Garde

    Overall Impression: A fairly strong, malt-accentuated, lagered artisanal beer with a range of malt flavors appropriate for the color. All are malty yet dry, with clean flavors and a smooth character.”

    I have had a number of commercially brewed Bière de Garde beers and they have all been consistent with the above description.

    You could have brewed your beer using an expressive Belgian yeast strain (e.g., Wyeast 3787) and it would have the Belgiany character that you seem to desire but the resulting beer would not have been a Bière de Garde in my opinion.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    If you are only thinking of 1 gallon, then yes one bottle's dregs would be enough. You would just need to give the dregs time to work. An easy 1 gallon fermenter is the glass jugs that apple juice comes in. You could also use a couple of growlers.
     
  10. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Make a small starter of 3711, pitch it, wait a month and then bottle. That should dry it out (perhaps more than you'd like) and provide a small amount of the "belgiany" yeast characteristics you're looking for.
     
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  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    On the other hand, if you dose 5 gallons with Orval dregs, at this ratio, you get to drink 5 bottles of Orval.
     
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  12. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    If there aren't any off flavors present, you could try drying it out with an attenuative strain like wlp644 or 3711 or even age it (or part of it) on brett. If you are unhappy with it, dump it. If you don't want to dump it, bottle/keg and chalk it up to a learning experience.
     
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