What style predominates each New England state?

Discussion in 'New England' started by FrankLloydMike, May 31, 2012.

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  1. FrankLloydMike

    FrankLloydMike Maven (1,308) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts

    I was visiting a friend (and the Hill Farmstead anniversary) in northern Vermont this past weekend, and was reminded (how could I ever forget?) of how much the state's brewers excel at making IPAs--or maybe even more specifically DIPA/IIPAs.

    Vermont has the most breweries per-capita, and those breweries are making plenty of great beers in plenty of other styles, but as a group, they seem to be unusually good at and concentrated on making wonderfully floral, grassy IPAs. There seems to be almost a sub-style in local IPAs--not quite East Coast or West Coast, but something almost unique to the state. Whenever I'm in Vermont, I'm struck by how many local IPAs there are, and that's what I look for when I'm visiting. The IPA is the predominant style in Vermont, and with good reason.

    That got me thinking about what styles might best fit the other New England states. I can't think of any state where a single style is so predominant as the IPA is in Vermont, and Massachusetts with the most breweries is probably the most diverse stylistically, but I thought it would be interesting to hear what style people identify with the states in New England--whether it's a style that is predominant among breweries throughout the state, a state with multiple breweries making exceptional versions of a style, a style that is hard to find elsewhere, or anything else.

    In my native New Hampshire, for instance, the workhouse brown ale comes to mind. It's a style I don't normally turn to, with too many cloyingly sweet mediocre versions around, but several breweries in New Hampshire are brewing more balanced, crisper takes--Smuttynose's Old Brown Dog, Woodstock's Pigs Ear, Throwback's Dippity-Do, Moat Mountain's Boneshaker Brown, and the more unusual White Birch Tavern Ale and Tuckerman Headwall Alt, are all brown ales I gladly turn to. So while it might not be as exciting as the hop-forward IPAs of Vermont, I think the balanced, crisp brown ale would have to be the official style of New Hampshire.

    What does anyone else think of as the predominant style of those or any of the other states in New England?
     
  2. nathanjohnson

    nathanjohnson Initiate (0) Aug 5, 2007 Vermont

    Not a style per se, but the Pugsley/Ringwood system is, imo, predominant in Maine. This has obviously lessened with time, but still applicable.
     
  3. TK5150

    TK5150 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2008 Maine

    this is sadly very true. the ringworm has run rampant for years in the southern maine area. on the positive side, things have slowly begun to change around here though.
     
  4. FrankLloydMike

    FrankLloydMike Maven (1,308) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts

    I think that's true, and something that came to mind for me. Whatever any of us thinks of the yeast and the system (I still think some good beers can be and are brewed with it, but like anything else it has to be used properly), the prevalence of Ringwood yeast and Pugsley brewing systems in Maine seems like an unusually predominant system in a state. Speaking from limited knowledge, I personally can't think of any other state where a single system is--or at least until recently was--so ubiquitous. I know Maine was at the forefront of microbrewing on the East Coast twenty-plus years ago, and a lot of those early systems where Pugsley, so I'm assuming that's where it comes from, but it's an interesting history whatever you think of it.

    I will also say that whatever any of us on here think of the Puglsey/Ringwood setup, a lot of those old breweries have been phenomenally successful--Geary's, Shipyard, Gritty's and so on have been around forever compared to most breweries in New England. A lot of non-BA-types seem to drink a local Puglsey-system-brewed beer in Maine (or in NH, where Shipyard is also prevalent) over macro offerings in a way that I don't see in a lot of places. None of those are my favorite breweries, but they're fairly large compared to some of the boutique breweries in New England that I love. And I think there's a place for the larger scale, locally brewed, crowd-pleaser among craft beers.
     
  5. SunDevilBeer

    SunDevilBeer Pooh-Bah (1,945) May 9, 2003 Massachusetts
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    For BA types : EXTREMEZ

    For normal New Englanders : Harpoon IPA & SA Seasonals. Simplifying I know...but it 's pretty true.
     
  6. skivtjerry

    skivtjerry Pooh-Bah (1,865) Mar 10, 2006 Vermont
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    It's a big player in VT too, at least volume-wise - Magic Hat and Long Trail.
     
  7. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    VT craft beer industry was built on brown ale and fruit beers - altbiers from Long Trail (and the other 10 or so flavors of brown ale they make) and Otter Creek, MH #9. Seems now they are getting more well known for their IPA's in the beer geek world - but I would guess more brown ale and fruit beer still gets made than ipa.

    MA - traditionally, pale ale (berkshire) and ipa (harpoon), but lately - saison (jack d'or and the plethora of new entrants). Amber lager if you count Sam Adams as a MA brewer.

    NH - this is a tough one - ESB (redhook)? - brown ales like mentioned by the OP? - IPA (smutty)? AAL(bud family)

    CT - watermellon beer

    ME - Buttery beer of varying shades - still.......

    RI - Amber (Coastal Extreme)?, IPA (Trinity)?, other state's beers?
     
  8. Rochefort10nh

    Rochefort10nh Pooh-Bah (1,840) Sep 30, 2005 New Hampshire
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    ...and this is why I travel out of the state, trade and order beer online so damn much!:wink: It seems that for the most part we're still stuck in the first microbrew revolution of the early/mid 90s where brown ales, pale ales and blond ales were everywhere. Of course Portsmouth and Smuttynose have done other styles extremely well but they are the exception. Why oh why can't we have a brewery like Hill Farmstead, Lawson's, Pretty Things, Mystic, Jack's Abbey or the Alchemist at least distribute to our state never mind have a new brewer/brewery of that magnitude start a new operation. I've been waiting for this for 20 years. Creative, quality is severely lacking.
     
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  9. cbeer88

    cbeer88 Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2007 Massachusetts

    MA is all over the place, but I'd go with lagers. Sam Adams obviously has a ton of them, Harpoon Munich Dark is a classic, BBC makes a bunch of great ones... now you have Jack's Abby pumping out some fantastic world class lagers. Cisco's new Summer Lager is going to be in heavy rotation for me this summer...

    When you think about how often lagers are shunned by breweries, MA really does have a lot of prominent ones compared to most states.
     
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  10. smutty33

    smutty33 Pooh-Bah (2,172) Jun 12, 2009 Connecticut
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    Um,realizing their are just a few breweries here in CT. at the most, but I'm gonna have to disagree w/you on your selection of "watermelon" beer as the predominant style coming from this state.Not quite sure what style of beer would fit the bill,but watermelon???No.
     
  11. emannths

    emannths Initiate (0) Sep 21, 2007 Massachusetts

    Fwiw, Munich Dark is an ale masquerading as a lager, at least based on the yeast strain and nth-hand information. Not that it matters for anything other than trivia.
     
  12. dukes

    dukes Initiate (0) Apr 2, 2012 Maryland


    Seems to me like most CT breweries and brew pubs either do an English style beer (English IPA, English Pale, English Bitter, ESB) or a Scottish / Scotch Ale as part of their lineup.
     
  13. smutty33

    smutty33 Pooh-Bah (2,172) Jun 12, 2009 Connecticut
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    I hear ya.....I'm sure we can come up with a few styles easily,but I just got a kick outta the "watermelon" selection.:rolling_eyes:
    Damn you Hooker! lol.

    Cheers
     
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  14. phingdong

    phingdong Pundit (960) Aug 24, 2010 New Hampshire
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    Well, an apprentice at Hill Farmstead (Dave) is now going to be the head brewer at Blue Lobster in Hampton, NH. I'd keep an eye on those beers when they open, Keith. I know I'll be checking them out...

    Still won't make up for everything else that is lacking in NH, but I think there will be some creative stuff going on there.
     
  15. mschofield

    mschofield Pooh-Bah (1,871) Oct 16, 2002 Massachusetts
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    Harpoon has started making lagers again though - the Bohemian Pils for one. The tasting bar in Boston dates way back and it has an old logo with "ales and lagers" on it, but like you're saying Harpoon didn't make a lager for quite awhile, maybe a decade
     
  16. Longstaff

    Longstaff Initiate (0) May 23, 2002 Massachusetts

    It's the beer CT is most know for outside of CT....

    ...and I'm only half joking....
     
  17. FrankLloydMike

    FrankLloydMike Maven (1,308) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts

    I hear what you're saying, but as Longstaff pointed out, beers like Hill Farmstead and Mystic are the exception in those states, too. There may be a greater number of creative, top-notch breweries in Vermont than New Hampshire (and per-capita than just about any place else), but outside of a few towns, their beers are very hard to find. I think that's the case in New Hampshire, and less so in Maine and Massachusetts where the in-state distribution even of small, high-quality breweries seems to be better. It's far easier to find Jack's Abby or Pretty Things in Mass, or Oxbow or Rising Tide in Maine, than it is to find Lawson's or Hill Farmstead in Vermont, or obviously Portsmouth in New Hampshire.

    New Hampshire, currently, has the added difficulty in that many of the state's top (and most established) breweries are strictly brewpubs. In a way, I think your comment about being "stuck in the first microbrew revolution of the early/mid 90s" is more accurate when you consider where the beer is being brewed rather than what is being brewed. From what I've had, there are plenty of very good (and some excellent) beers being brewed in places like Martha's Exchange, Moat Mountain, Portsmouth or other brewpubs, but for the most part you have to go there to have their beer.

    The state has seen far fewer new production breweries that primarily sell their beer off-site in recent years than Maine, Vermont or Mass have. It looks like that's beginning to change a bit, with Candia Road, Earth Eagle and Blue Lobster all opening this year. Obviously, I can't speak to the quality of the two that haven't opened yet, but at least the state is catching up with the nano trend that has spurred those great breweries you mentioned. In addition to those new breweries, Prodigal, is finally greatly expanding production. And breweries like White Birch and Throwback have both received warm receptions in their local areas--every time I've visited either of them, there has been a stream of people filling growlers, buying bottles and doing a tasting. That's something I've seen at plenty of small breweries in Vermont, but until recently never in New Hampshire outside of a brewpub.

    The other benefit to more breweries, I think, is the culture within the brewing community. Vermont has a very strong community of brewers, with the Brewers Guild, which puts on the Vermont Brewers Fest and the brewery passport. But more important, many of the assistants and apprentices who work at those breweries seem to be opening breweries of their own in the state. Obviously, not all of them will be in the top-tier with places like Hill Farmstead, but the growth seems positive.

    And just one other thing about being "stuck in the first microbrew revolution of the early/mid 90s where brown ales, pale ales and blond ales were everywhere"... the best beers (in my mind) coming out of Vermont these days, and the ones getting most of the attention are pale ales, IPAs and DIPA/IIPAs. With most of these, there's nothing earth-shattering other than the quality. Even Jack's Abby is essentially brewing excellent, high-quality, lager versions of well-known, traditionally ale beers. I love many of the more unusual styles that places like Pretty Things or Oxbow are brewing, but I also love finding a brown ale good enough to make me excited about a style I otherwise overlook. That there are several of those being brewed in New Hampshire makes me think it's a fitting beer style, and one not to be ashamed of. That's just my take, though, and admittedly it's easier to be optimistic about the home front from south of the border.
     
  18. Rochefort10nh

    Rochefort10nh Pooh-Bah (1,840) Sep 30, 2005 New Hampshire
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    Single hopped IPAs/DIPAs (all of HFs examples) were not the norm in the 90s and the quality, intensity and boldness of Vermont's other best hoppy beers (Ephraim, Heady, Double Sunshine,etc.) are not remotely close to the bland basic pale ales that I was referring to.
     
  19. Rochefort10nh

    Rochefort10nh Pooh-Bah (1,840) Sep 30, 2005 New Hampshire
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    I totally agree with this point.

    I hope these new breweries reach heights not yet seen in the state. I'm very glad that Paul Davis is finally getting things off the ground as he brews some of the best lagers I've ever tasted.
     
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  20. FrankLloydMike

    FrankLloydMike Maven (1,308) Aug 16, 2006 Massachusetts

    I'm sure that's all true--I was a kid in the 90's, and I wasn't meaning to compare the quality of Hill Farmstead to the run-of-the-mill breweries of the 1990s or today. All I was trying to say was that a handful of breweries in Vermont have been excelling at elevating (and perhaps reinventing) an old and ubiquitous style of beer. I don't think a brown ale will ever be as exciting as an IPA to most people, including myself, but I think some of the brown ales I mentioned in the original post are some examples of inventive (or at least very good) takes on another old, ubiquitous style.

    The first time I visited Hill Farmstead in 2010, I was on a barleywine kick (or something, I can't remember exactly what). One taste of Edward had me back in the floral/grassy pale ale/IPA camp, and seeking out other excellent examples of the style. While it's still not my preferred style by a long shot, some of the hoppy, dry brown ales being brewed in New Hampshire and elsewhere (I'm looking at you St. Botolph's), have really changed my mind about what a brown ale can be.
     
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