What's the problem with old yeast?

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  1. Zonk

    Zonk Initiate (0) Dec 2, 2014 New Jersey

    So I'm relatively new at this, so bear with the dumb question. I want to brew with ECY 14 but its not available at the moment. I have some from a split starter in the fridge, but its close to 6 months old. IFfI were to revitalize this through a starter (or series of them) what's the issue? I know people rebuild yeast from dregs, seems like a similar idea to me.
     
  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    If you can "wake it up" then it should be fine. I have done starters with 6 month old slurry from the back of the fridge and had no problems. If you do this, make the first starter small and low gravity since you probably don't have a lot of life in your slurry.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    “What's the problem with old yeast?” The short answer is that old yeast has a lot of non-viable (i.e., dead) yeast cells. Worst case scenario is that all of the yeast cells are non-viable.

    Try making a step starter like @wspscott posted. If you see activity in the first, small starter that means there are some viable yeast cells which can be further propagated in subsequent starter(s).

    Cheers!
     
  4. Jduche17

    Jduche17 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2015 Canada (QC)

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  5. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    To add on to what was said above, old yeast is essentially under pitching. There are more negative effects with mutation, but here's a link to generally accepted effects of low (and high) pitch rates:

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/best-pitch-rates-to-produce-a-clean-ale.71473/
     
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