Wheat IPA Recipe Critique

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  1. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    Hey all, looking for some feedback on a recipe. This is a vague style, but what I'm going for is this:

    A beer that looks like a lemon meringue pie - I'd like it to be very pale yellow, opaque (ish), with a thick white head. I want it to taste like a fruity american IPA / Pale ale, not like a heffa at all. This is what I have come up with so far, just trying to keep it pale, hoppy and simple.


    75% eff
    1.062 OG - 1.014 FG
    ABV Predicted: 6.2
    SRM: 5
    Modified Tinseth BUs: 68

    59% Great Western Pale Malt
    36% White Wheat Malt
    5% Acid Malt

    57 IBU Galena (90min)
    12.4 IBU Azzaca (10min)
    4.2 IBU Belma (5min)
    2 IBU Azzaca (Flame out)
    1.4 IBU Citra (Flame out)
    2.1 IBU Belma (Flame out)
    1oz Azzaca (Dry hop)
    1oz Citra (Dry hop)
    1oz Belma (Dry hop)

    US-05 - open to using more of a NEIPA style low floc yeast here to increase lemon pie likeness, just don't wanna flirt with any heffa like strains

    Any input appreciated! This is my first recipe!
     
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Use pils malt instead of 2row for its color. I would use flaked wheat along to drive that head in addition to the white wheat.
     
  3. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    Interesting SFACRKnight, what percentage of flaked wheat would you suggest ?
     
  4. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Is the acid malt for pH adjustment? If not, I would drop it. I would also add at least a half pound of rice hulls. And I like your idea to use a different yeast other than US05.
     
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  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I recently attempted to sorta inspired by the Lil Sumpin Sumpin clone recipe from the Can You Brew It Show. I scaled down to pale ale strength, used 3% Victory instead of toasted wheat, went really different on the hops, with nugget, cascade, centennial, and citra, and used a different yeast (Mangrove Jack Liberty Bell). Surprisingly, it tastes nothing like it's inspiration :slight_smile:. The yeast is fruitier, and had a touch of diacetyl that eventually cleaned up, and the hops are likely going to be dominated by citra. It's dry hopping in the keg right now, so I haven't had the finished product.

    The base beer seems too much like a pale ale. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but in the wheat IPAs I've had, there is something distinctively wheaty, almost like the breakfast cereal and this lacks it. I blame the Victory Sucked the Wheaties out of it?
     
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  6. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    Yes, just to get my mash pH down a bit - what would you say the drawbacks are going to be from adding the acid malt ? Also - Rice hulls are IN

    Thats sort of what I am going for here , actually trying to avoid that wheaty characteristic ! Hoping for a clean crisp malt taste, and a bunch of body and opacity from the wheat in this case.

    I'm thinking about trying London ale III yeast from Wyeast for some slightly fruity character to possibly compliment the hops.
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    My current ipa uses 13.8% flaked adjuncts.
     
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  8. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Between the hop choices and the 1318, I think you covered your bases with the fruity characters the people get out of NEIPA. I just looked more carefully at your grist. You are using nearly 100% wheat but you want to avoid wheat flavor characteristics. That seems illogical. You'll get these contributions at much lower percentages, I think, so I'd cut it with 2-row. It might help you sparge. If you really want to see what all this wheat does to body and haze, go for it, but maybe try BIAB to avoid stuck sparge.
     
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  9. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Another good yeast option for this style of wheat beer is WY2565- kolsch. Ferment it on the warm side (65-67F) and you'll get some subtle fruit flavors. And if want hazy, this will take forever to clear up. Very low flocculation.
     
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  10. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    I've only got 36 percent wheat on the grain bill at the moment, and I'm going with the suggestion to use pilsner malt instead of 2 row to lighten the color even further. I think I will also add some flaked adjuncts for some NE haze (is that even a thing?) Does 36 percent still sound like a stuck sparge @pweis909 ? Oh and definitely throwing in a pound of rice hulls on this one.
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    My bad. For some reason, probably because I was just looking at my own recipe, my eyes played tricks on me and I thought one of the lines was wheat malt and one was wheat flakes. I shouldn't drink beer this early in the morning:wink:

    I have had stuck batch sparges in the past, usually in beers. These have typically, although possibly not always involved using rye, wheat, spelt (that sucked), oats, or corn grits. Presumably the reduced amount of husk to make a filter bed and the stickiness of the grain contributed. In the case of the grits, they clogged up the slots on my homemade manifold. I cleaned it with dental floss.:grinning: I developed a solution for the stuck sparges -- shovel all the grains into a large paint strainer to separate the liquid. Light bulb -- if I just started every batch as a biab batch, this wouldn't happen! I've been biabing for a year and am mostly happy with it.
     
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  12. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I've been trying out SO4 lately for NEIPA yeast. I used to only use it for pale ales but like it in IPA's too. Good fruity low floc characteristics. Start off at between 63-65 and start to ramp up after day 5 and you should get 75%-78% att.
     
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  13. kcq101

    kcq101 Initiate (0) Nov 10, 2007 Pennsylvania

    As you alluded to and as others mentioned, I would suggest and english ale yeast US05. I love 1318. But others may due the job, as well.

    In terms of price, SO-4 is certainly cheaper. But I have not used it in quite some time and never for a "hazy" beer.
     
  14. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    You didn't explicitly state it, but it sounds an awful lot like you're trying to brew a NE IPA. There are lots of threads on here about that, and unless I'm missing something here, all of that advice in those threads would apply. The only caveat is that lots of people call for oats in a NE IPA, which is bad for your head retention.
     
  15. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    @Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse you might be right, basically I started with a vision for how I want the beer to look, and now it sure is sounding like a NEIPA !

    I have since incorporated 8% flaked oats and 7% flaked wheat to the recipe. I'm hoping the malted wheat will get the head nice and fluffy...

    Time to admit to myself this is a NEIPA.
     
  16. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I had excellent luck with 2-row, 1318, 10% flaked wheat, and 15-20% flaked oats. Also threw a pound of CaraFoam into a 5 gal batch. Only complaint is that the head retention sucks.

    I had originally planned to use s-04, but I picked up some 1318 at the last minute and threw a starter together. Still have it in my fridge and will probably try it in a NE IPA at some point.
     
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