when and how to use gelatin?

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  1. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    Hi, I know about irish moss, add in the last 15 mins in the boil.
    How is gelatin used? at which stage and how? out of Irish moss and gelatin, which way is "more effective" in clearing beer? or can I use both methods? Can I just buy the ones from the grocery store? or does it have to be the ones from my local home brew store??

    Sorry, that's a lot of questions.

    Thanks.
     
  2. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

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  3. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    kettle finings vs. fermenter finings. Many folks will do both, a lot of times I will do a kettle fining and leave fermenter fining for beers I plan to dry hop or if i'm using a yeast I know is a shitty floccer like Danish Lager yeast.
     
  4. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    adding a half pouch of knox clear gelatin to your beer will produce very bright beer. I don't use kettle finings anymore, and I am not certain irish moss ever really worked anyway.

    boil a few ounces of water. boiling helps if you obsess over contamination. but 170+ works too.
    add 1/2 pouch unflavored gelatin. you can use the whole bag but it just makes more goo to clean out of the vessel later.
    rack on top of the gelatin. or pour the gelatin over the beer. either way.
    cold condition for a few days or longer.
    you will have a jello paste at the bottom of your vessel after the beer has been finished. hot water will melt this goo.

    that will clear up any beer. some people complain of hop aroma being stripped because gelatin is too good, but I am not one of those people.
    Cheers.
     
  5. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    Thanks, I read the article, it seems to answer most of my questions... But the sad thing is, how the hell am I going to cool my beer to the 40's?? I don't have a kegerator... :-(
     
  6. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Done correctly (I don't obsess over any of the steps, so it must be easy to do it correctly), the beer is almost scary clear after two days.
    What were your plans for serving if you can't chill your beer?
     
  7. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    if you can't chill your beer, you can save yourself the work. gelatin isn't going to work if you can't cold crash. real cold crash too.
    start trolling CL for a cheap fridge. you know you need one.
    Cheers.
     
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  8. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    It seems to take about 1 week for gelatin to work for me, so YMMV.
     
  9. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    A recent article in BYO by Terry Foster recommended adding 1 tsp gelatin / 5G to the bottling bucket.

    Sprinkle the gelatin atop 1/2 cup of cold water.
    Stir to mix.
    Nuke 20-30 seconds (do not let it boil)
    Cool and pitch.
     
  10. MTBrewr

    MTBrewr Initiate (0) Jan 9, 2014 Minnesota

    Do you usually do the fermenter fining before or after dry hopping?
     
  11. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Most will do it after. Dry hopping will toss the haze right back into the beer. Some want brilliant beer, and it should be the last step before serving.
     
  12. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    Maybe I'm not understanding the procedure correctly? From what I gather, you rack beer to secondary, add gelatin and COLD Crash it to the lower 40's for 2 days, and then bottle? So what I'm saying is, I don't have a kegerator or fridge big enough to store the secondary bucket.

    I ususally go primary to secondary then to bottle. So can I add gelatin before bottling and THEN cold crash the bottles? But if I do that I would end up having goo on the bottom of my bottles, no??

    Let me know if I'm not understanding this correctly.

    thx.
     
  13. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    Sorry. I wasn't thinking of bottling. I add the gelatin to the keg in the chiller. In two days, it's clear as crystal, the initial pint or so of goop notwithstanding.
    You'll need to let the gelatin do its thing before you bottle. You don't want the easily disturbed sludge in the bottle. I'm assuming you could cold crash the secondary, but I've never bottled, so I won't try to give you advice on this.
     
  14. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    maybe I can put my secondary carboy in a larger container and cover it with ice for two days? Not sure if that can lower it to the 40's.
     
  15. kennyg

    kennyg Initiate (0) Dec 31, 2007 Illinois

    I've always heard that its best to have the beer very cold before adding gelatin. I keep my carboy in a chest freezer and control the temp to 33F with my Johnson controller. After adding the gelatin I let it sit at cold temps for about a week prior to bottling.
    I suppose you could try the ice-bucket method for cold crashing in general but it seems like a ton of work. I would just skip the cold crash/gelatin until you've got a chest freezer, just my opinion.
     
  16. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

  17. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I'm not one to care much about the appearance of my ipa...if I'm going to add fermenter fining (I use polyclar) I always do it before dry hopping starts, since all I'm trying to do is get as much yeast out of suspension as possible because i don't want the yeast to strip the hop oils out of suspension.
     
  18. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    But then on second thought, ..... Good beer without Titan Fall .. hhmmm.. that's imperfection ...
     
  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Yeah, if you cant cool it down, then you'll need to live with the haze, or work on clearing it via time.
     
  20. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    About 2 yrs ago I got a 7 cu ft chest freezer on Craigslist for $120 in good condition + $75 for External thermostat regulator. $200 total for fermentation chamber/cold conditioning chamber. Just have to keep really good sanitation practices to keep mold from forming from cold to cool fluctuations.
     
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