When is it worth it to "Vert"

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  1. Rivenin

    Rivenin Initiate (0) Aug 22, 2011 Oregon

    Just getting a general conscious on this...
    I'm buying some beers to later setup as a "vert" type tasting... when is it usually a good time to start popping them open and do a vertical tasting?
    I have bourbon county which recommends (i think) opening within 5 years, some old stock ale, some narwhals... but i've never done a vertical tasting or saved beer more than a year or two.

    So i guess my question is... how long would YOU go before opening said verticals? 5 years? 10 years?
     
  2. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    One of the things about verts to keep in mind is that generally, past 4 years, you have a lot of beer to drink in one (presumably) sitting. So how many people you will involve is a major factor as well. I recently did a Black Butte vertical with 4-5 years and that was a lot of high ABV beer to drink. Involving about 6-7 people helped spread the wealth and keep me from getting wasted. Also, it seemed about the right amount of beers so that even at the last of the vert, we could still taste the beers, differentiate them, and ultimately, enjoy them.
     
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  3. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    A minimum of 3 years, preferably 5. We did a 10 year vertical of Old Stock (which is one of my all-time faves) earlier this year, and it was a blast!
     
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  4. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    These are some of my favorites to vertical I personally like 5 year verticals
    Darkness
    10-Fidy
    Bigfoot
    Alaskan Smoked Porter
    BCBS
    CW Stout or BW
     
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  5. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Savant (1,119) Apr 15, 2013 California

    One thing to be mindful of in planning verticals is whether you have good cellar conditions. If your beer spends a significant amount of time above about 70ºF—even for high-gravity beers—you'll find it goes off long before you're ready to do the tasting.
     
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  6. threedaggers

    threedaggers Maven (1,448) Dec 2, 2013 Kentucky
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    We did a tasting earlier this year of 2005-2014 BCBS, and many of the variants. Most of the BCBS bottles prior to 2010 were off. One year, I think 2008? Was still legit, but the others were too far gone. I was still very drunk about 6 hours later. It might'be been too much, but it was fun .
     
  7. Beersnake

    Beersnake Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,884) Aug 17, 2013 California
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    Totally agree, which is why I like to "vert" smaller bottles. SN Bigfoot is a great example. Black Butte would be pretty awesome though!
     
  8. boilermakerbrew

    boilermakerbrew Initiate (0) Aug 13, 2010 Indiana

    Most beers turn downhill pretty quickly after 3 or 4 years. I did 2011-2014 BCBS this summer, and it confirmed my suspicions that it peaks at 2-3 years. The 2012 was awesome.

    Anything past 5 years will take a special beer, aka a beer over 15% ABV.
     
  9. JonnyBeers

    JonnyBeers Savant (1,211) Oct 24, 2012 Canada (BC)

    Favorite vertical was Bell's Expedition, think we did 5-6 yrs of it. Helps to have something that actually ages well :wink: and also if the bottles were all stored in different areas it's really hard to know why the beers taste the way they do. A warmer cellar will age the beer faster, could even make it taste 'older' than an actually older bottle depending on cellars.

    For the most part I've given up on verts, but it's still fun to do once and awhile, maybe not with something overly expensive.
     
  10. phildow

    phildow Crusader (407) Jan 6, 2013 Michigan

    I think I sound like a broken record, but that book "Vintage Beer" really helps to understand what's worth putting together a vertical of. Expedition Stout was one that was mentioned.
    Styles: stouts & barleywines at/above 8%, lambics & smoked beers as well.
     
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  11. Fargrow

    Fargrow Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 Michigan

    To combat this problem (and to save money), what I'm attempting to do is buy bottles of a particular beer every 2 years instead of every year. I started buying beer to cellar in 2013, so this year I've been trying to buy those same beers. Last year I bought a 6 pack of Expedition Stout to cellar, so I'll wait until next year to buy it again.

    My thinking is that 2 years will show more stark differences between beers, and I'll have a less exhausting vertical to do later this decade.
     
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  12. ONovoMexicano

    ONovoMexicano Initiate (0) Jun 14, 2012 New Mexico

    Interesting idea.
     
  13. JimmyTheDook

    JimmyTheDook Devotee (353) Oct 27, 2011 Texas

    I've done a few verticals of 4 and 5 years split between 2 to 4 people. I have never done a high-octane World Wide Stout vertical so I haven't run into any problems of overdoing it. All of the beers sampled were good in different ways. My favorite ages are now my loose target age for the beers.

    5 year vert of Sisyphus (local barleywine) - favorite aged was 2 years
    4 year vert of Bigfoot - favorite aged was 3 years
    4 year vert of Old Foghorn - favorite aged was 3 years
    4 year vert of Ten-Fidy - favorite aged was 2 years

    I do have a three year vertical of DFH 120 in the cellar waiting to be consumed. I don't think I should wait too much longer and still try to drink it in one sitting with only 3 people.

    Other verticals I have in the works (still not sure if these will be consumed in a vertical)...
    3 Philosophers
    Billionaire
    Bitches Brew
    Bourbon Barrel Hellfighter (local imperial porter)
    Double Bastard
    IRS
    La Muerta (local imperial stout)
    Narwhal
    Old Stock
    Old Rasputin
     
  14. ezperkins2

    ezperkins2 Pundit (751) Jan 3, 2011 California
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    I sucker myself into saving verticals of way too many beers that I never end up drinking. For some reason as soon as I get 2 or 3 different vintages of a beer I immediately think that I need to save it for 10 years and have some massive vertical tasting. Those massive tastings almost never happen. Anytime I have enough people over to take down a 10 year vertical we generally decide that several different bottles sound better than 10 bottles of the same beer (Especially if they ae 22oz or 750ml.) The every other year vertical is a little more manageable and you still get a clear picture of the beer how it holds up over the years.

    In general I have found that very few beers will hold up well after more than 7 or 8 years and the sweet spot for most cellar worthy non sour beers is in the 3 – 5 year range.
     
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  15. Retsinis

    Retsinis Pooh-Bah (1,622) Sep 25, 2009 Arizona
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    3 years minimum, 5 years is a great average, though a 10 year Fou Foune or Lou pepe vert were both pretty earth shattering. Abv amount, and attendees are also factors. Also, personally imho, verts are not a good idea at bottle shares. They go to waste, too much beer, and people try to pace and take small pours, etc. It can be tough with verts, holding them for the right time and place, but when you can share them, with good friends/family, food pairings, or some cheese, snacks, chocolates, it can be quite awesome.
     
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