When should I brew a stout for winter?

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  1. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    So in most of Texas we may not have "winter" like my northern friends, but it cools a little bit. Usually about the end of Nov to Feb. It seems that letting stouts and porters age in the bottles really aids in the flavor. How long should I plan to let them age? I'm just trying to plan ahead and schedule a brew day. Oh, if anyone has any good extract recipes they would like to pass on to me, I would appreciate it. TIA.
     
  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    If you are talking about any stout but a low gravity dry stout, I would brew now with the idea that you would drink it in 5-7 months. If you are talking about a RIS, then you should brew this weekend and you might crack the first one on opening day :slight_smile:

    For example, I lost a keg of robust porter in my basement for just shy of a year, it ended up being one of the best dark/roasty beers I have brewed and I am pretty sure some of that was the long rest time.

    Do you have Brewing Classic Styles? Jamil's recipes seem pretty solid.

    Here is his Foreign Export Stout (sounds pretty good to me)
    English Pale Ale LME 10#
    Black Barley .75#
    C40 10oz
    C80 10oz
    Chocolate Malt 8oz

    EKG at 60 mins to get 44 IBUs

    Nottingham dry yeast or WLP013 or WY1028
    Ferment at 67 rise to 70 at the end.
     
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  3. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    About 6 months+ for a "standard" porter/stout is my experience. On something "big" then 12 months and up.
     
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  4. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    For a standard gravity Stout I don't think it takes that long. 2 to 3 months to peak.
     
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  5. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Personally, I'm generally drinking on a standard stout at about the same time as most other "standard" beer styles. A RIS I do age for 2-3 months, especially if I've added something to it. I have not brewed a RIS much above 10%, however.
     
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  6. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I'm thinking just a standard stout. I "might" experiment with a gallon or two when fermentation is done and age it with some oak chips and bourbon, or coffee beans. And bottle the rest without secondary.

    No I don't. But clearly, I need to get it :slight_smile: I think you have mentioned it more than once. Message received. :grinning:

    So far when I've gone looking for recipes, I will have this habit of: seeing something that catches my eyes. And I will ask BA what they think. And they have to convince me to not do it, and the recipe is a horrible idea. So, I'll just go to you fine gentlemen first. I know know what a dry stout is, and yes. I'm looking to make a standard regular dry stout. For what it's worth, Buried Hatchet is probably my all time non-whale, non-specialty aged in this or that stout. Though I hear they don't actually use coffee when brewing despite the coffee taste.
     
  7. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    All of my stouts come in at 1.070 and up. They tend to need a bit of age to round the edges, so I typically brew in august and age until xmas, sometimes later.
     
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  8. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    I decided to get a head start on mine so I could have it ready as its cooling down as opposed to waiting till Christmas. I don't mind drinking it even if it isn't winter! I'm going to rack to a secondary for about a week or 2 so I can add some vanilla beans and some coffee on the last 2 days. I then plan on racking it over to my Balcones oak barrel to let it age further for a month or two. So overall, mine will be more than drinkable come October.
     
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  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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  10. ipas-for-life

    ipas-for-life Savant (1,041) Feb 28, 2012 Virginia

    For an extract stout I suggest using some Munich malt syrup. I helps add some body and flavor. I like my stouts to be closer to an imperial so for a 5.25 gallon batch I use 8 LB golden light DME and 3 LB Munich malt syrup. It usually finishes around 8.5%. Three weeks in the primary and then bottle condition for a couple months and it is ready to drink.
     
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  11. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Sounds good. I would need an extract version and pellets would be nice too.
     
  12. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Wow, that sounds like a beast!
     
  13. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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  14. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I don't mind doing a partial mash.

    I did happen to come across this gem. And it looks lovely.
     
  15. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I brewed an imperial oatmeal stout end of june. I got around to bottling just a couple weeks ago.
    I figure it will be more than ready by fall, if not labor day.
    I personally think all but the biggest stouts (SG 1.1-ish and above) are fine to drink after the normal fermentation / conditioning cycle.
    For a recipe, I would say use light extract, and steep with chocolate, carafa and maybe some dark crystal malts If you want a partial mash, flaked oats will give a nice smooth mouthfeel. Bittering hops, maybe 40 - 50 IBUs worth, you don't need much in the way of flavor or aroma ones, maybe just an ounce or 2.
     
  16. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I would not use dark LME/DME, I would prefer to start with light DME and then add color/flavor with malt/grain that I specifically chose. But, the name of the beer makes me think that @stealth might have something to do with it. Maybe he can help you out.
     
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  17. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (2,023) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    That thread was from before I started brewing, but I have done several stouts using dark liquid extract with great results. The dark LME I used is from NB: http://www.northernbrewer.com/shop/maillard-malts-dark-malt-extract-syrup

    I add the majority late in the boil with 15 min left, although I will say it does not seem to attenuate as well as the light LME's. Killer flavor though.
     
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  18. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Thanks for everyone's input. I still have a lot to learn like : what would you only add the extract late in the boil @stealth ?
     
  19. stealth

    stealth Pooh-Bah (2,023) Dec 16, 2011 Minnesota
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    Late addition of the majority (75-85%) of your extract help avoid negative effects of the Maillard reaction and carmelization. Basically, if I am doing an extract brew I add enough (15-25% of my total extract) at the start of the boil so the sugars in the extract aid in pulling out the hops' alpha-acids. The rest goes in 15 minutes before the boil ends. I have yet to have anything but great success with my extract brews when brewed in this manner.
     
  20. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I was just reading about Maillard reactions earlier today. Do you do this procedure with all your extract brews? Or certain extracts? Wouldn't you have concern about insufficient DMS conversion and volitization? Or has this already been done during the extract production phase?
     
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