Whippersnappers (Old Man Rant)

you've probably reported me like 11 times by now

 

Also fair enough; to each their own

Perhaps you were being facetious (lack of emote makes it hard to tell), but I wouldn't assume the comment you quoted was directed at you.

 

Lets keep on the topic of ideas here guys, trying to make this a better place.
Thanks.

 

My comment wasn't directed at anyone who's posted here. I think/hope cfh64 was being facetious & knows that it wasn't directed at him. Ftr, I dislike passive aggressive bs & strive mightily to never employ those tactics myself. Hence, I don't do hidden messages, code speak or sideways slams or subtle digs.

 

If the comments are shut down on the trading block, then where are people going to put their "yo, I got your ISO - BM me" comments?

 

Sorry mod's, barely off topic but wanted to clear this up.

My "whoa, whoa, whoa" comment was definitely not directed at @JavaNoire. It was more of a joke at myself, I've been known to go off here and there with the occasional rudeness and temper tantrum. I'm not perfect and sometimes have a hard time keeping my comments in check. I wear my emotions on my sleeve here and in real life, at least I'm transparent and people know what they're dealing with, lol. I also realize this has and may land me in time out, no hard feelings at all, I understand.

The telling on someone was in reference to some guy who posted "if this gets done I'm next in line" in my ISO. Apparently I was way off, asked for constructive criticism and that was what the guy replied with (he ended up being a good dude). I came very close to telling him to fuck off and that's why some people were against comments in the ISO. I kept my mouth shut and the mod's deleted his comment promptly without me asking them to.

That's all my comment was, nothing more. Cheers!

 

*shrug* Now & then suggesting someone fuck off is entirely reasonable, imo. I know I've deserved hearing it more than once.

A big reason I prefer open exchanges with minimal modding is that I get a better feel for the person. Is s/he honest & forthright? Easy to work with? Committed to a good outcome? Is s/he encouraging & supportive of others? Will more every be enough?

I also find the back & forth regarding how beers should trade to be both informative & interesting. Different perspectives are -imo- invaluable & I'd hate to lose the opportunity to get a multitude off views. Those lively, occasionally acrimonious, exchanges provide considerably more gold than dross. jmo

 

@JayORear I understand your frustration, but if folks stopped responding to "what is my beer worth" threads then those folks would hopefully get the message and stop posting. Some folks on here are "enabling" those profiteers

 

Drift, I don't give a gnats ass how anyone trades but if the trade was supposed to be $4$ that's what it should be. In your bad trader thread you were kvetching about changing market values, however, in $4$ trades 'market values' are irrelevant. You were every bit as much a 'bad trader' as the other party. jmo

And while I truly don't care how people trade, provided they're honest & not taking advantage of newer members or naifs, open discussions of trading & comments are desirable. Lively discussions can provide a wealth of valuable info regarding specific beers & releases. Equally important, these discussions & comments can raise thought provoking questions, arguments & ideas. A vigorous exchange of ideas ultimately strengthens the community & helps people make knowledgeable, informed trading decisions.

 

I haven't had a chance to read through this entire thread yet, but just wanted to say that I am 100% behind the elimination of all replies to threads in the ISO/FT forum as was suggested on page1. If you want or need to comment on someone's ISO thread, it should be done via PM. If someone has an improper thread, let the Mods handle it.

 

So I've thought about this, and forgive me as I'm a 2013er, but I think comments that are related to the FT:ISO are necessary. Those especially related to bottle counts, cost, availability, etc- because beer value is definitely a thing, and I find this to be very helpful. However, I can understand, I may not like it at times, but those comments related to shitting, and overall douchebaggery have no place in community. But to me that's what MODeration is for- that's their job not ours the users.

You know I've done a ton of trading and honestly as awesome as the beer I get usually is, the cultivation of a friendship, almost like a beer pen pal, is way cooler. Some of that would've never happened if I wasn't a n00b, someone else wasn't a n00b, some 2013'ing didn't exist etc. But all that has made me the trader I am, and have learned from those experiences.

some of this I can't describe in words- but overall I like this site for what it is. But in emoticons I can say how I feel best- I love this part of BA , but don't mind this part being regulated.

 

That's what the Trading Talk & Help Forum is for.

 

Here's an idea, that I'm not sure I even like myself, but just to throw it against the wall, how about the ability for the OP of an ISO:FT thread to have the option of locking it? That way someone that doesn't want peanut gallery comments doesn't have to put up with them, and someone that would appreciate feedback can receive it.

This does close off the ability for us to 'police ourselves' as it pertains to linking a bad trader thread in someone's ISO as a warning to others, for example, so I'm not sure I love my own idea, but what does everyone else think?

 

While I think this is a good compromise, it was discussed earlier in the thread and apparently isn't possible.

 

People locking their own threads is a terrible idea, imo. People could block reasonable questions & criticism while manipulating the system to get friends to provide an early smattering of support & flattery. At one time I was naive enough to think it would be unlikely that people would do something so bogus. Input on various discussions has convinced me that I was wrong.

 

I imagine that the idea would be to have the OP select "replies" or "no replies" when they create the ISO:FT post. I don't think you would have to worry about what you stated. People may just start assuming that people who select no replies are trying to get one over though.

Either way it doesn't really matter because Todd has started multiple times that it wont happen and isn't possible.

 

Ugh good point... I wish you weren't so right. An all or nothing would prevent that; but again, it's already been covered anyway.

 

I'll just say that I'm still not thrilled with the trade-off offered by "no comments." I think it's been well established that the helpful comments are worth the numbskull ones. Mods have gotten a lot better about finding and deleting the numbskull ones earlier, and I don't think we've come up with an acceptable and doable middle-ground between all or none. This thread seems doomed to keep going in circles, personally.

 

Not sure if you track this or have the ability to but what about giving people vacations for hitting a certain number of deleted posts? Ie x deleted posts in ISO:FT = x day account suspension or something like that? I think the mods do a pretty good job of leaving helpful posts up and deleting the "BM me" and thread shitting ones. It would encourage people to think before they post on someones thread whether or not it actually adds any value.

Obviously not worth it if tracking these deleted posts would be an undertaking on the back end but just a thought.