Whirlpool WTF...

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by Sorgasm, Apr 7, 2014.

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  1. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    I have what I would call a fairly typical front porch brewery setup...

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    Cooler mashtun, stainless pot 'hot liquor' tank, and a converted keg brew kettle. Other than the visible spigot addition, I've added a down-stem w/ a hop filter (Home Depot lint traps):

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    Overall I'm very content with the performance of my setup, with one exception, as eluded to in the thread title—I can't get my cold break to settle out nicely regardless of whirlpooling. Sure, my whirlpool setup looks a lot like a sanitized mash spoon, but regardless... WTF? Am I missing something?

    I guess some cold break in the fermentor isn't the end of the world, but my OCD is struggling to accept that.
     
  2. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    I should add that I use an immersion chiller to get the wort down to pitching temperatures, then remove it before whirlpooling...
     
  3. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I whirlpool as I am chilling. It doesn't work either so I am curious to hear other peoples techniques.
     
  4. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    try a tab of whirlfloc. it will have your wort crystal clear 10 mins after chilling/whirlpool.
     
  5. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    After chilling pull the chiller, stir the wort until you get it spinning. Then let it settle for 10-15 minutes. Oh, as mattbk said, use Irish moss, whirl flock, supper moss to get the break to coagulate.
     
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  6. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I run my wort through a paint strainer. This takes care of most all break material.
     
  7. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    Oh, I definitely use whirfloc.

    Yep. That's my current procedure.
     
  8. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    how long is it taking you to chill? whats the temp of your groundwater? i always have very, very clear wort using this procedure. then again, i live in buffalo, ny and my groundwater is frickin' freezing, mr. bigglesworth. i can chill using an immersion in 5 minutes in the middle of winter.
     
  9. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    Portland hose water is around 55 this time of year, so I can get it down to 100-120F in 5 min, but that last 30-50 degrees take another 15-20 min at least.
     
  10. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    If I had the setup for it, I would love to modify my kettle to be able to recirculate using a march pump from the spigot to an elbow fitting towards to top of the kettle. I'd have the elbow fitting placed under the boil volume level to discourage hot side aeration + immersion chiller.
     
  11. mattbk

    mattbk Savant (1,111) Dec 12, 2011 New York

    that doesn't seem so bad. not sure what your issue is.
     
  12. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    whats your water profile look like? especially the calcium
     
  13. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    Portland Water (ppm)
    Calcium - 1.9
    Magnesium - 0.75
    Sodium - 4.0
    Chloride - 3.7
    Sulfates - 0.5
    Carbonates - <MRL
     
  14. koopa

    koopa Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2008 New Jersey

    That's some super soft water. Make sure you are adding brewing salts, especially enough to raise your calcium level to a minimum of 50 ppm. Here are some generally recommended ranges:

    Calcium: 50-150
    Magnesium: 10-20
    Sodium: 0-150
    Chloride: 50-150
    Sulfate: 50-350
     
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  15. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    I have been told that we have super soft water here... guess I gotta get my head in the game and start treating my water with more than just 5.2 pH.

    I'm brewing again this weekend (duh?) so I will report back with results once I try treating my water.
     
  16. rundownhouse

    rundownhouse Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2005 Tennessee

    Brewed a German Pilsner last weekend that was essentially a SMaSH: 22lbs Weyermann Pils, bunch of Hallertau. As usual the boil turned into egg drop soup, but it was my first time trying to chill down to lager temps in my new home. City water temps here in Cincy are in the low 50's.

    I whirlpool with an IC and a pump, and at first I had lots of frustration getting a good cone. My keys to success: 5 minutes whirlpooling, no less than 20m rest. In practice, my IC is in the kettle until pitching temps, then it and any other objects/bags are lifted out for the whirlpool; that starts the 5m countdown. After that, turn off the pump, let it rest, and then knock out.
     
  17. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Yeah, Portland water is RO quality. You might need minerals added.

    I hate your quality water! <sarcasm>

    I see you are using 5.2. Many think it only works for certain waters, a little. Do you have a pH meter to check mash pH? Or strips?
     
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Some are questioning the Calcium levels listed, as many brewing waters for lagers are less than that. You would want that level for ales so the yeast will flocculate better. In lagers, you have the cold temps in lagering dropping the yeast out.
     
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  19. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    That what I've got going on now.. Turn on the pump and recirc it for hopstands, chilling, and then pull chiller and roll with it.
     
  20. Sorgasm

    Sorgasm Initiate (0) Aug 20, 2007 Oregon

    No pH meter yet, but been meaning to jump on one. I do know, however, that our water pH is typically 7-8 before treatment.
     
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