White Labs 565 Saison

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  1. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    Merry Christmas all. I have a Saison going right now that I pitched on Dec 13th. Its the infamous 565. I pitched at 66 and brought it up 2 degrees every day and now im sitting at 82. My recipe and math said it would FG at 1.018, But im now holding steady at 1.007! Three days here. Ive read a lot about it stalling and what not, But it looks to me that this yeast has done its job.
    I transfer all my beers to a secondary (Brewtech Brew buckets) . What temp should I keep this beer at for the secondary? Or does it even matter as its probably done fermenting?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I've found WLP565/Wyeast 3724 (if indeed they are the same...I'm not convinced) to usually be slow fermenters, but have never had them stall. I'm curious about your expected 1.018 FG though. That's pretty dang high for this strain in a typical saison wort... What were your OG, grain bill, mash temp, and mash length?

    If there are no off flavors, the beer is clear enough, and you're not wood aging/dry hopping/fruiting/etc., I don't see any reason not to package.
     
  3. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    1.068
    11 lbs pilsner malt
    1 cara munich
    .5 wheat
    .5 borlander munich
    .5 vienna

    I mashed at 153 for 75 minutes. EDIT: 153

    Usually I transfer for clarity or dry hopping. Not dry hopping this one.
    I have a Tilt hydrometer in there. I though the recipe calling for a FG or 1.018 was kind of too.
     
  4. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    Batch was 5.5
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I ran this through BrewCipher and got an expected FG of 1.012. Still kind of high for a 1.068 saison w/ WLP565, but the pound of crystal malt (not really typical for a saison) and the mash temp prop it up. I'm actually a bit surprised it got down to 1.007.
     
  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    What is it you hope will happen in the secondary fermenter? That should guide your temperature decision. I think many of us would say it is not needed at all, based on the information you provided.
     
  7. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    Just looking to clear it up w bit. Little bit of biofine .
    I'm running this through the grainfather app and it has this yeast at 70% attenuation. I'd say that's wrong. I originally started with a half pound of the crystal but messed up in cereal killer and grabbed the bag twice. Oh well.
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Jeeeeeeez. I think I would doubt everything that app was telling me. It would be hard to make anything resembling a saison wort that would only attenuate 70% with that yeast. Just curious, but does the app give 70% for it regardless of the grain bill, regardless of the mash temp, and regardless of the mash length?
     
  9. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Strictly secondhand information: two googled sources of unknown credibility say to use Biofine after cold crashing your beer, in the 32-35F range.
     
  10. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    That's a good question. It just lists that yeast as attenuating to 70. Not the recipe. I get it though, it's community based so a user added that yeast. I knew 70 was off because most white labs leasys are closer to 80.
     
  11. the_owl

    the_owl Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2019 New Mexico

    With a 1.007 FG on this beer it appears I attenuated 89%. Pretty impressive.
     
  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Here's the thing about any attenuation number from the yeast manufacturer (or from anyone): It's almost useless, because yeast strain is only one (albeit an important one) of several factors influencing attenuation.
     
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