Who put milk in my IPA?

Discussion in 'New England' started by SpauldingSmails, Jun 13, 2018.

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  1. SpauldingSmails

    SpauldingSmails Zealot (602) Sep 11, 2014 Massachusetts

    This is a migration from the TH thread, where it the following discussion occurred:
    1. I offered that drinking Lactose induced IPAs is the beer drinking equivalent to riding a moped with a dopey helmet. It may be fun, but it lacks the appropriate street credibility in parallel with the coinciding fun. It doesn't mean you shouldn't drink them or that they aren't tasty. You should just know how you are viewed by others.

    2. The most poignant response was as follows along with my response below:

    On the lactose IPA rant: My first level of annoyance is that I feel like some of the providers don't properly alert consumers of the presence of lactose (e.g. Foam, who I adore, really needs to do a better job of this. Same goes for Other Half). It shouldn't be a damn surprise (this goes for all beer, not just IPAs). Every beer with lactose ought to have the work 'milk' in it, including sours and other beers besides IPAs. Second, it is my opinion that the use of lactose is meant to do two things 1) create a mouthfeel in an IPA over an above what a typical NE IPA might have or not present in the original brewing process with grains 2) mask what might be otherwise off putting taste in a beer.

    On stouts: lactose stouts should be Milk Stouts and thus that's an actual style. Vanilla and coffee and other additives to Stouts are generally an augmentation of flavors that may come out of natural barrel aging and thus are acceptable flavors. Plus, I don't care what you add to an imperial stout at 12% ABV, that's a Harley and not a scooter. No, you shouldn't ever feel like an 'idiot' for drinking this or anything else supporting what I think is a great craft beer community. I'm just saying that it is the equivalent of ordering a white russian or a Bailey's on the rocks at a Patriots game. If you are comfortable in your own skin, then it is completely up to you what you drink and where.

    Cantillon makes fruited sours. They get to make the rules about what is acceptable and not acceptable in lambics and sours. It would break my heart if they added lactose to anything.

    NE IPA is a style. Only the beer drinking community can determine how people view drinkers of said style. I happen to like them a great deal, and I fully recognize that some of my points on lactose could potentially apply to certain other grains used to create murkiness beyond just not filtering the beer. At least they are grains though.

    This could get moved to a non-regional thread, but since I am a New Englander, I thought that it was a familiar place to put forth an opinion.

    Not to add too much to the issue, I am also of the opinion that the regulatory authority needs to get their heads out of their asses and require that all alcohol be required to list all ingredients used in the process of making it. A first step would be identifying whether or not it is vegetarian/vegan (I am neither, FWIW).
     
  2. DeweyCheatem-n-Howe

    DeweyCheatem-n-Howe Initiate (0) May 23, 2015 Massachusetts

    I've had milkshake IPAs from Omnipollo (Schploing) and a small pour from Tired Hands (no idea what it was, got poured at As Is NYC - they were pouring it for free from a can for people who just wanted to try). Neither impressed me that much, although neither was particularly bad. Just OK beers, and I was confused about the hype, especially the Tired Hands hype.

    That said, I got some Keytar Bear from Trillium this afternoon. To one of your main points, it explicitly states on the label that it's made with lactose (and wildflower honey, and vanilla), so straightforward with that. And more importantly to me, it's absolutely delicious. I have no idea what lactose is really supposed to bring to a beer, but the mouthfeel is chewy beyond what normal NEDIPAs offer, although that may well be the wildflower honey, as it's very similar in mouthfeel to other Trillium wildflower honey-using beers (the Cutting Tiles series).

    Frankly, this individual beer is a great beer that happens to have a small amount of lactose in it. What this tells me is that lactose is not a death knell for a good beer. Again, does it add anything? I can't say because I'd have to try something that is brewed the same minus the lactose. But does it take away from the beer? Not this one.

    And additionally, I could give a crap how I'm viewed by others WRT my beer choices. I drink what I like, and I like this.

    There are people who think drinking a hazy IPA is deserving of scorn. Those people are generally twats.

    There are people who think that drinking macro lagers is deserving of scorn. Those people are generally twats.

    Nothing we're buying from the hyped breweries, by and large, is a "traditional" beer that would make a strict Reinheitsgebot advocate not want to look down his nose at one of us for consuming it.

    Lactose is no different. It's a different way of making beer, some people enjoy them, some don't. Either is fine. Being a dick towards people who do enjoy them is... well, it's what we in bird culture call "a dick move."

    I will agree with you on regulatory commissions needing to crack down on making brewers more openly share the ingredients involved in what we're drinking.
     
  3. 7irondave

    7irondave Pooh-Bah (1,918) Jun 22, 2016 Massachusetts
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    I find it laughable that you choose to judge someone by the beer they drink. Is that because you don't like them and everyone should like everything you like?

    Is it alright for me to continue drinking fruited sours and pastry stouts too or will I be looked down upon by elite drinkers like you?

    :grin:
     
  4. wehaveamap

    wehaveamap Pundit (917) Jan 16, 2010 Massachusetts
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    hur dur so manly
     
  5. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Savant (1,240) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Put whatever ingredient you want in a beer. If it tastes good I'll drink it - there really doesn't need to be more discussion than that...
     
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  6. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    I'm with you on transparency if a beer contains lactose. The rest is nonsense.
     
  7. dogdrule

    dogdrule Initiate (0) Jan 11, 2018 Massachusetts

    Please let this become the new Navy Seals copypasta
     
  8. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    “No one should be judged for what they choose to drink, but just be aware that I am judging you for it.”

    Relax man, it’s fine.
     
  9. spersichilli

    spersichilli Initiate (0) Apr 26, 2018 California
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    That mouthfeel is the lactose. Honey generally ferments out leaving just the aromatics, but the lactose sugar is unable to be broken down by the yeast so it stays and contributes body
     
  10. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    By the way as long as we’re talking about how you’re perceived based on what you’re drinking, I hope no one is under the mistaken impression that they look like James Bond with a can of Julius is their hand. In that case, people look at you like a fuckin dork, holding a dorky-ass dork beer, just for the record.
     
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  11. DeweyCheatem-n-Howe

    DeweyCheatem-n-Howe Initiate (0) May 23, 2015 Massachusetts

    Bro, I look like a dork regardless of what's being poured into my face at any given time, because I am a dork. I embrace that shit!

    Dorks for Lyfe.
     
  12. Rysk22

    Rysk22 Savant (1,240) Nov 12, 2014 Massachusetts
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    Jokes on you because I drink my Julius out of a martini glass. Shaken not stirred.
     
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  13. gclaw4444

    gclaw4444 Zealot (590) Jul 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    "you should drink what you want, but just so you know I have deemed that beer style, and anyone drinking it, to be inferior and i know most people agree with my viewpoint"
     
  14. SpauldingSmails

    SpauldingSmails Zealot (602) Sep 11, 2014 Massachusetts

    I need to do more mirror work in order to see if this is true. I may have to start pouring my IPAs into a 'Gans can.
     
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  15. TheDudeFromTheThing

    TheDudeFromTheThing Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2016 Connecticut

    WTF? How do think posting nonsense like this is viewed if that is a concern of your?
     
  16. ransom22

    ransom22 Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2016 Uzbekistan

    Essays about lactose IPA's

    good lord go outside
     
  17. Sheppard

    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    By principle, I'm all for breweries experimenting with new ingredients. I, however, have not liked the vast majority of lactose IPAs that I've had. When I have beers that I don't like, especially hoppy ones, I usually find myself thinking about the opportunity cost of brewing that beer versus, in my opinion, better beer within that brewery's portfolio.

    Anyway, Smails is definitely right about any lactose beer needing a clear labeling.

    I'm sitting outside btw.
     
  18. Shyla987

    Shyla987 Zealot (599) Jul 18, 2013 Connecticut

    Says the person who has 858 posts in 2 years. Which isn't really extreme, but good lord, this is exactly the place to have this discussion with interesting, well thought out comments. Do you feel cool telling someone to go outside? Sheesh.
     
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  19. HopsDubosc

    HopsDubosc Pundit (803) Apr 24, 2015 Vermont

    I do not like lactose in my IPAs. Every damn one has tasted too sweet to me. Nuff said.
     
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