Why add maple syrup?

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  1. austina3214

    austina3214 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2013 Ohio

    I recently finished my first batch of homebrew. I was brewing a nut brown ale. In the recipe it called for 11 oz. of maple syrup to be added during the last minute of the boil. This was a 5 gallon batch. I was wondering, why you would add the syrup so late in the boil? What impact will it have other than raising the OG and the eventual abv? Thanks in advance for any help.
     
  2. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    11oz of maple syrup won't really do anything besides raise the OG and eventual ABV. Your beer would be dryer than if you achieved the same OG using all malt.

    Also, 11oz? How fucking arbitrary is that?
     
  3. austina3214

    austina3214 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2013 Ohio

    Thanks for the reply. I would say pretty arbitrary. No explanation on the recipe. I think I will have to ask the supplier.
     
  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Maple is a tricky flavor to capture in beer. The flavor we are accustomed to with syrup is highly concentrated. You are diluting that flavor considerably by adding 11 oz in 640 oz of wort. When the yeast are done with fermentation, you will pick up little if any contribution beyond the higher alcohol content.
     
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  5. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Waste of time and good syrup.
     
  6. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    How can you add maple flavor to a beer? Add it post- boil? Prime with it? Add large amounts? Add metabisulphate, add maple syrup, keg and force carb? Use extract flavoring?

    None of these are ideal. Is there a best method?

    You were probably instructed to add the MS late in the boil in order to minimimze boiling off volatile aromatics.
     
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  7. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think the answer is this. There have been several threads on this topic over the past year or so but never a good answer for how to get that good maple flavor into a beer like some of the good commercial examples are able to give us.
     
  8. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    The best results I've had with maple have been to pick a style that calls for a large sugar addition to dry it out but perceived has a perceived sweetness. Load up on honey malt and medium to dark crystal(s), mash low and long, long boil, generous pitch of healthy, high-attenuating yeast, add two pounds grade b amber syrup after high krausen. Add a little high quality maple extract (should be ~$10 an oz for the good stuff) to bump up the flavor, and bottle using maple sugar as the priming agent. Makes for an interesting quad/specialty saison/biere de garde depending on what yeast you use.
     
  9. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    you do realize that maple syrup is made by boiling it for a long period to concentrate it right?

    I wouldnt think there would be many aromatics to boil off, that said using maple syrup in a beer generally is a waste of time. If you want that maple flavor use some fenugreek seeds
     
  10. mugs1789

    mugs1789 Zealot (611) Dec 6, 2005 Maryland

    good point.
     
  11. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Ironically, maple syrup has no delicate aromatics. Anything delicate is lost when sap is concentrated 50x or so to make the syrup.
     
  12. austina3214

    austina3214 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2013 Ohio

    Thanks for all of the replies, everyone. I am reading The Complete Joy of Homebrewing by Charlie Papazian, and in it he mentions adding 1 gallon of maple syrup (I'm assuming sometime during the boil) for a 5 gallon batch in order to get a maple taste in your beer. Has anyone tried this?
     
  13. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    If you'll read more, or search online about brewing with maple syrup, you'll find that you won't really get much, if any residual maple flavor if you add it to the beer during the boil. Adding it once fermentation start could keep some of the aromatic there, but syrup is all sugar, and most of all sugar chains are eaten up during fermentation.

    If you keg, I've had luck adding it to the keg at keg temps, which would in essence keep the syrup from starting fermentation.

    Use some high quality extract if you really want to smell and taste some maple syrup, honestly.

    Or you can try the 1 gallon of maple syrup, but be advised it will dry out your beer, so you need to build a recipe around it, and include it in your calculation. Not only that, but the cost is going to be significantly higher than adding plain sugar, which is close to what you are doing. Search about adding honey.. it's a hard thing to hit too, but you have the option to use honey malt.. no maple malt that I know of.
     
  14. austina3214

    austina3214 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2013 Ohio

    Awesome, and thanks for the tip. I will give that a try next time around.
     
  15. mikehartigan

    mikehartigan Maven (1,421) Apr 9, 2007 Illinois

    A gallon in a five gallon batch? That's a damn expensive beer for what's likely to be a subtle effect. Last year it was going for $60-ish. It's expected to be higher this year due to a number of factors, not the least of which is the Canadian government's penchant for meddling with the free market (you probably thought the US gov't had a monopoly on that :rolling_eyes:)
     
  16. austina3214

    austina3214 Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2013 Ohio

    Haha ya it would be pretty expensive. In the same sentence he goes on to mention how expensive it would be.
     
  17. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Most homebrewers wouldn't even consider this, but actually hitting the beer with sorbate and campden, then adding the syrup, kegging and force carbing would work extremely well. When I was heavily into mead making I would do this all the time for meads that I wanted to backsweeten with honey or if I wanted to add fruit without it fermenting out. Worked like a charm.
     
  18. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I've got around 3 gallons of cider from last years apple harvest I have sitting around. It's already fermented out and done, but my wife wants to make it sweeter since it got damn dry. 1.001. I'm gonna hit it with the k-met and all that shit, sweetness it with honey or some more apple juice, keg it and then bottle it. Hoping it works out, as I'm not interested in bottling and pasteurizing it for keeping, and I certainly dont want it taking up a keg.
     
  19. Homebrew42

    Homebrew42 Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2006 New York

    Frozen apple juice concentrate is a good option for back sweetening cider (after stabilizing it) as it adds both sugar and intensifies the apple flavor. I would recommend that you use sorbate in addition to the sulfite if you want to ensure that it doesn't re-ferment.
     
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    Preciate the advice HB42. I've made cider and had it on tap last year, but I normally just filled gallon growlers of it and took with me to places. Most was drank within a few days, and kept cold. Haven't backsweetened before, and then needed to have the cider GTFO of my kegs and way. It moves slower these days since all these hussies around here are getting preggo and old.
     
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