Why are "session" IPAs the same price as regular IPAs?

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  1. bobhits

    bobhits Maven (1,498) Oct 31, 2006 Ohio

    Honestly I do'nt know, but from a brewing perspective isn't each increasing % increasingly more difficult beyond a point?
     
  2. pinyin

    pinyin Savant (1,119) Sep 19, 2013 New York

    Dry hopping, materials, labor, demand.
     
  3. JohnnyMc

    JohnnyMc Pooh-Bah (1,623) Feb 14, 2012 Ohio
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    Not sure why people complain about this.

    Guess all they care about is the buzz.... :stuck_out_tongue: As long as there is great flavor I don't care how strong something is.
     
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  4. elchicodelgado

    elchicodelgado Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2008 Texas
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    Demand mainly, but I imagine hop costs are a big part of it too. It's not that much cheaper for me to homebrew a session ipa than it is for me to homebrew a normal one. The hops are the expensive ingredient.
     
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  5. mabermud

    mabermud Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2006 Washington

    They charge the same price for session IPAs and regular IPAs because they can. People will pay the same price for them, even though they are maybe the same, but definitely different.
     
  6. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    well, in America. Isn't this part of the reason UK beers are historically lower ABV?
     
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  7. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    This is true.
     
  8. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    Fucking brilliant Marquis. Well said.
     
  9. Orca

    Orca Grand Pooh-Bah (4,710) Sep 18, 2010 Washington
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    I've also noticed that whole milk is the same price as skim. Go figure.
     
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  10. HopSavant

    HopSavant Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2014 Tennessee

    After reading a particular comment, I feel like tagging @Scott17taylor in every session IPA thread I read.
     
  11. Droopy487

    Droopy487 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2013 Tennessee

    I paid $15.99 for a 15 pack of all day IPA last summer and last time I bought a 12 pack of Terrapin Recreationale it was $14.99. It is lower if you find a big enough brewery that pumps them out in quantity.

    Also, a local liquor store was advertising last week All Day IPA growler fills for $7.99. That's not bad at all.

    On the other hand a local craft bar charges $5 for a pint of all day and I about fell over when I saw Green Flash Citra session IPA for $5.75 a pint at the same place. Certain bars seem to take advantage of the consumer on some things.

    You just have to pick your spots when to load up on All Day at a good price or other larger breweries versions.
     
  12. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    This is a legit question - was surprised to see some of the responses as to why the pricing is "obvious" to be the same for session IPAs and single IPAs.

    If the argument is "materials are a fraction of the cost" then why are double IPAs more expensive than singles, and triple IPAs more expensive than doubles? After all, if all of the costs are tied up in labor, utilities, distribution, and packaging, and materials are just a small fraction of the expense load, then this whole argument is blown to pieces. Triple IPAs should be the same as single IPAs, but clearly they are not.

    Yes, this is definitely a factor. Its a hot style right now. When it falls out of favor (and its not a question of "if" it is a question of "when") you will see the price drop.

    Materials are not as "tiny" as a portion of the expenses as you'd think IF you are a craft brewer that relentlessly sources the best hops, malt, spices, yeast, and other brewing cultures to make your beer. Some big brewers buy hops and grain at incredibly cheap prices, simply because they are looking for fermentable sugar and alpha acid at the lowest possible price. So if you are brewing with high-fructose corn syrup and hop extract, perhaps materials are basically negligible for you....

    One tangible reason here that no one has mentioned yet is session IPAs actually use just about the same amount of materials as regular IPAs. So all else being equal (packaging, distribution, labor, etc.) you have to use just about the same amount of hops in a session IPA (the most expensive spice in the beer), at least for a good one with a ton of hop flavor and aroma, as you would in a regular IPA. The marginal difference of 4-5% vs 6-7% in ABV does not register that much for grain savings, at least not enough to drop the price of a 6pack by a few bucks.

    Unless you take a game theory approach, where if you have a top beer and its $1-5 cheaper than everyone else's, you will clean up. Consumers respect brewers who pass the savings onto them, instead of keeping everything for themselves.

    Would you pay $15 for a 6pack of Session IPA? Better blow your mind at that price point.

    And if it did blow your mind, would it be better than the one that wowed you at $9.99?
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Why do 8% malt liquors cost less than some brewers' 5% light lagers?
    Why do many 4.3% "light beers" cost more than some brewers' 5.5% "ice" beers?
    Why do "under 0.5%" near beers cost about the same as some brewers' popular-priced beers?

    You can't "leave out" marketing - the final decision on suggested retail price by the brewer, after all the costs above are taken into account, is a marketing one.
     
  14. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    that's an excellent point, taking into account demographics definitely affects price (if the sample size is big enough)
     
  15. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    Since Session IPA's are selling so well maybe the question should be why don't they cost more than IPA's?
     
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  16. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    Leave it out, as in, it's definitely a reason so it doesn't need to be repeated over and over.
     
  17. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    They're popular and your buying them right? So why would they lower the price when it's already moving well?
     
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  18. Zanico

    Zanico Maven (1,307) Nov 24, 2009 Ohio

    I was in my local beer store yesterday and noticed that Ballast Point Even Keel Session IPA 6pk was $4.00 cheaper than Ballast Point Sculpin 6pk.
     
  19. JDW4195

    JDW4195 Initiate (0) Sep 24, 2014 Florida

    Because you'll pay for it
     
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  20. jmdrpi

    jmdrpi Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,989) Dec 11, 2008 Pennsylvania
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    Based on this graphic from Huffington Post. If you assume it's fairly accurate, then you are way off. Based on this, Ingredients are 10%, and packaging + labor + shipping is 20%.

    So only a 2:1 ratio. The other 70% is overhead/profit at the 3 tiers and then taxes.

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