Why Big beer gets "crafty"

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by otispdriftwood, Nov 12, 2014.

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  1. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    I don't know whether this has been expressed already [or maybe I did - my memory sucks], but perhaps the reason for big beer not being transparent in their "crafty" beer intros is because they don't want their main product name associated with something new. I just read a part of the article about millenials not drinking what their parents drank and when it came to the part about the spin-off beers [i.e. Miller Fortune, Bud Platinum], selling at a premium and not doing so well, the lightbulb went on. When you're used to paying X Dollars for a Budweiser sixpack, you don't want to pay X plus Dollars for a "different" Budweiser sixpack, regardless of whether there are extra words on the carton and bottles. So, they use aliases. That's why we have Shock Top, Blue Moon and all that have and will follow. For large corporations, this is business as usual. Fool 'em then forget 'em. Until you have a 'new and improved' product.
     
  2. MikeT77

    MikeT77 Initiate (0) Jul 2, 2010 New York

    Big beer sales down
    Craft beer sales up

    Wanting to distance association with their craft brands (purchased) and "crafty" brands for fear of avoidance by association. They want the craft $.
     
  3. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Exactly. They don't want consumers to know that their faux craft is made by Coors, Anheuser-Busch, etc. It is deliberate.
     
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  4. frazbri

    frazbri Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2003 Ohio

    That's pretty much it. Most people don't geek out about beer like we do.
     
  5. ZebraCakez

    ZebraCakez Initiate (0) Nov 8, 2014 Massachusetts

    The thought of a good beer being delivered by a team of clydesdales is tough for most higher end beer drinkers to grasp, and the marketing departments can recognize this.

    That being said, those same marketing departments don't know how to reach those real beer drinkers, as those consumers have given up on said brands products for some time now. I don't mind Justin Timberlake, but I couldn't give two shits if he drinks Bud Light Platinum or not, cause' I'm certainly not drinking it.

    We can all recognize that the beers we drink require a level of passion, commitment, time, and risk the the more profit driven powerhouse beer producers (notice the lack of the word "breweries" here) have no ability to channel. Why even waist eight or nine bucks on a sixer of their newest attempt?
     
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  6. John_Beeryman

    John_Beeryman Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2014 Virginia

    Because they want more money.
     
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  7. Mitchell57

    Mitchell57 Zealot (626) Jan 8, 2013 Wisconsin

    People have basically said it all already. Makes sense if you worked for the big companies...try to sell "craft" or "crafty" beer that the average person that buys it won't know it is made by you and profit in the short term on the craft beer craze. It's only going to keep growing from 5% of the market for awhile at least. Not at all worried about a bubble for quite awhile.
     
  8. misternebbie

    misternebbie Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2014 Pennsylvania

    Simply put for the Benjamin's!
     
  9. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    The big guys are scrambling like hell to fix the hole in the balloon. They've brought back some guys from the 60s to fix things. Don Draper is an effing genius even though he is imaginary. Another agency is hot on their heels to pick up the cash. Time has told.
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Based upon some of the posts that BAs have made concerning BMC type beers I can very much understand why they are marketing their craft-type beers under another name (e.g., Blue Moon, Shock Top, etc.) since they figure that many beer drinkers will not buy craft beer labeled as being brewed by a BMC brewing company.

    As a consumer I despise these non-transparent marketing strategies but from a BMC business perspective I understand why they do it.

    Cheers!
     
  11. jaimoe

    jaimoe Initiate (0) May 15, 2010 Ohio

    I will never understand the hatred and the venom directed at the so called 'big boys". Ya'll bellow for free markets for small brewers and then whinge when the big boys say "craft". Who gives a fuck what they call it? If consumers don't buy it it will go away.
    In the same fashion "local is good" is bullshit. I am blessed to live in an area where many of the local brewers are very, very good but when the bubble bursts on local is good don't be surprised, there's a lot of crap out there chugging along on hte local bandwagon that will eventually ne exposed.
     
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  12. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
    In Memoriam

    "OMG this ale is fukkin amazing! Wait! Whats that u say?!? It's made by Inbev? MillerCoors distributes it? Aw fukk this horrible shit"!
     
  13. bozodogbreath

    bozodogbreath Savant (1,128) Oct 19, 2006 Indiana
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    Black Friday will be a true demonstration of the general craft enthusiast's embrace of BMC's involvement in craft beer.
     
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  14. Jirin

    Jirin Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2013 Massachusetts

    Misleading marketing signifies a lack of respect for the consumer's intelligence.

    How many of the big company owned brands are actually tasty? Goose Island and that's about it? If the big guys were actually making tasty beer instead of making crappy beer and then pandering to people's sexual frusgtration, far fewer people would be complaining.
     
  15. kingofhop

    kingofhop Initiate (0) May 9, 2010 Oklahoma
    In Memoriam

    If it wasn't made by the Evil Empire, "crafty" advocates would be singin' its praises. Y'all slay me.
     
  16. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    Its not just the name or label, the product IS inferior in most respects.
    And even their target consumers can tell.
    Had a girl friend who drank only Blue Moon White as far as beer went then i asked her to try Hoegaarden..she liked that far more.
    The trouble for BMC is that some of those that pick up a Shock top or Blue Moon will get curious and try better beers than they can make. What that percentage will be is any guess, but i am seeing the likes of Leffe and Hoegaarden in every regular grocery store.
     
  17. Reidrover

    Reidrover Grand Pooh-Bah (4,886) Jan 14, 2003 Oregon
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    and yes i know those are both INbev but still way better than BLue Moon or Shock Top
     
  18. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    "local is good" 'is bullshit'. I'm glad that you cleared this up so nicely. But please know that I love my local brews because they (many) are damned good! If a product is marginal or worse, most folks will stay away. You are entirely free to buy crappy beer from locales everywhere. Don't buy what you don't like. Why should anyone care what other folks drink?
     
  19. UrbanCaveman

    UrbanCaveman Pooh-Bah (1,866) Sep 30, 2014 Ohio
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    For the same reason I'd be annoyed if a small brewer slapped labels from a Trappist monastery on their Belgian beers and did not put their name on it anywhere. At its core, it's a deceptive business practice.

    I couldn't agree more. Except I'm from a part of Ohio where the locals are almost universally average or below.
     
  20. GetTheYayo

    GetTheYayo Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 Pennsylvania

    Puff Daddy said it best when he said "it's all about the Benjamin's, baby." As has been said, big beer sales are down and craft is up. Anyone with half a marketing sense will realize the potential there. And this is nothing new, look at the wine market, you have your Sutter Homes, Mondavis, Cavits, Yellowtails...mass appeal wines. Then you have a plethora of small wineries that really cater to the wine connoisseur. The 90's saw a huge boom in "craft wine" (and I use that term very loosely, but you get the idea) not all too dissimilar from the craft boom of today. Some wineries hung around, a lot went under. The craft beer market will be much the same.
     
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