Why Doesn't Every Brewery Date Their Bottles/Cans?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Das_Reh, Jan 19, 2014.

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  1. Das_Reh

    Das_Reh Initiate (0) Mar 25, 2013 Florida

    It frustrates me to no end when I go to the store, grab a bottle and scrutinize the outside frantically looking for a bottled on/best by date. I don't want to drink any beer more than 6 months old if I can help it (3 months in the case of IPA's, although the fresher the better), and you think it would be common sense for the breweries to mark their bottles with SOMETHING, even a Julian date. For example, I cannot for the life of me find dates on any of Rogue's offerings. Maybe I'm just not looking hard enough, but I'm pretty sure I've scoured every square inch of the bottle of Dead Guy in my fridge and also inspected the six pack carrier it came in... nothing.

    It makes no sense to me, beer doesn't keep forever, and I for one will refuse to buy something 9 times out of 10 if I can't find any resemblance to a date on the bottle.
     
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  2. reverseapachemaster

    reverseapachemaster Zealot (722) Sep 21, 2012 Texas

    I'm not sure how easy it is to change the screen print design for each bottling date but that might be something specific to Rogue and other screen print bottles.
     
  3. beepthebot

    beepthebot Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2011 Indiana

    Seems that Rogue includes every piece of information about the beer, except for the expiration date. Which is what most of us care about.
     
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  4. brywhite

    brywhite Initiate (0) Aug 27, 2009 California

    I wonder if dating bottles can be sort of a double edge sword - if they are dated customers can tell if the beer is fresh presumably leading to sales and if the date is perceived as old, leading to no-sales.
     
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  5. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    yes but remember that if you "gamble" on a beer that has no date and it's awful because it' s too old, that brewer will not get a second chance at that customer who may pass up their beers forever more because there are so many choices available.
     
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  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    They don't because they don't have to. I try and buy fresh local stuff first then stuff that I know is dated if its a PA or IPA. No date I don't buy. Stouts and Porters not quite so much.
     
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  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Rogue is pretty notorious for being anti-date code - unfortunately, due to the "temporary" aspect of the internet, their original comment/article has disappeared - the only evidence left (that I can find) is this old beer dating page that gives a broken RealBeer link - page down half way to the entry entitled Rogue Ales Brewing Company.

    The brewers who code their beers on the bottle glass itself use a printing or etching technology, which is done after the beer is bottled. It has nothing in common with the so-called "painted/silk screened" labels - called "ACL- Applied Ceramic Labeling" by the industry - used by Rogue and other brewers. That type of ACL labeling is done by the bottle manufacturer, before bottle delivery to the brewery. Stone, for just one example, has no problem date coding their ACL bottles.
     
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  8. Immortale25

    Immortale25 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,775) May 13, 2011 North Carolina
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    It's one of the great mysteries of the world
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    From my perspective there is no mystery why some breweries choose to not date their beers. @brywhite nailed it with “if the date is perceived as old, leading to no-sales.”

    Just my opinion.

    Cheers!

    P.S. On a related note a number of German breweries, who choose to date their beers, utilize a 1 year best by date (which is waayy too long in my opinion).

    P.S.S. When Sierra Nevada exports their beers to Europe they label those beers with a 1 year best by date (which is waayy too long in my opinion).
     
  10. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I agree with the no dating = more sales. Some guys just don't know to check dates they assume it's all relatively fresh. I don't think any wholesaler or brewer wants to buy back his beer, the dilemma of availability vs freshness. Props to Stone with the Enjoy By dates, they put it out there in less volume and sell it all.
     
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  11. bigdaddyjerry

    bigdaddyjerry Initiate (0) May 6, 2013 Maryland

    i dont see why it matters in some cases....because some beers taste better after there due date....so really theres no point in putting one right?
     
  12. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I think with canning dates we're typically meaning PA's and IPA's and hoppy brews in general.
     
  13. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Even with those beers that some people would rather drink after they've been cellared for a period of time, a bottling date would still be preferred so they can know how old it is.
     
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  14. rlee1390

    rlee1390 Pooh-Bah (1,977) Mar 6, 2010 Indiana
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    They prefer money over the quality of beer the consumer purchases. End of story.
     
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  15. Msudukie

    Msudukie Pundit (920) Oct 26, 2013 New York
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    A question like this came up elsewhere awhile back and a brewer chimed in that equipment to add dates to bottles is expensive. Not sure how true/relevant but thought I would share.
     
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  16. RangnaR

    RangnaR Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 California

    With Rogue, I've noticed some of their beers don't even list the ABV, let alone the bottle date, although they put plenty of other info on there that you could probably calculate the ABV if you had a formula LOL..
     
  17. hoppytobehere

    hoppytobehere Pooh-Bah (2,046) Aug 10, 2012 District of Columbia
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    Just noticed Bear Republic went from "bottled on" to "enjoy by" :angry:
     
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  18. RangnaR

    RangnaR Initiate (0) Dec 17, 2012 California

    It would be nice if breweries could at least date their IPAs, since they have a tendency to change quite a bit over time.. I saw a couple IPAs from Mission brewery from San Diego but wasn't willing to pull the trigger when there was KNOWN fresh IPAs nearby..
     
  19. Rekrule

    Rekrule Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2011 Massachusetts

    As a smaller brewery if I made a beer and I knew that many people buying it may pass on it once it's over a month old, I may be inclined not to date it. It's not right but I'm sure it plays in.
     
  20. mikeburd1128

    mikeburd1128 Maven (1,409) Oct 28, 2011 New Jersey

    I don't really see why breweries don't date. I don't buy the argument that "Dates = People not buying when beer is old." It seems to me that people will either look for a date, or they won't look for a date.

    The people that won't look for a date will buy or not buy the product regardless.

    The people that will look for a date will either:
    1) Buy it because they see a date and it's fresh
    2) Buy it when they don't see a date but know it's fresh (new release)
    3) Won't buy it because they see a date and it's old
    4) Won't buy it because they don't see a date and worry that it's old
    5) Buy or not buy based on some reason other than dates

    So, to me, it doesn't seem like much changes. I'm probably wrong though.

    I have a much bigger gripe with Enjoy By dates instead of Born On dates. I'd much rather be given a date, know how old it is, and make my decision rather than be given a date and have to remember "Oh goddammit. How long does Sixpoint give their beers? Isn't The Crisp different from Bengali Tiger?" I can't tell you how many times I've passed on their beers because I don't care to figure it out.
     
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