Why is "beer journalism" so bad?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by pitweasel, Aug 22, 2013.

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  1. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado


    Now that's what I call journalism. A writer who isn't insecure about saying she doesn't know squat about the subject matter and uses sources that are more knowledgeable to make her point.
     
  2. otispdriftwood

    otispdriftwood Initiate (0) Dec 9, 2011 Colorado

    Yes, I overstated. Journalism is not dead. It's on life support and there doesn't seem to be a cure on the horizon.
     
  3. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    So who is out there doing a good job? We should promote and share the good journalists if we're saying there's not enough of them.

    Unfortunately, I know of very few national beer journalists I'd suggest. I read the Brookston Beer Bulletin, Alan McLeod's A Good Beer Blog, and the Beer Street Journal for general release info and some opinion. I follow Jeff Alworth's Beervana for Oregon stuff and some interesting feature pieces.

    Then there's The New School, BrewDad, Seattle Beer News, and Northwest Beer Guide for local/regional info, but half of these guys are regular guys who happen to be the ones doing the legwork to find out info I'm interested in. No disrespect to them, I certainly wouldn't do better, but I realize these are guys writing because they're interested in the subject rather than because journalism is their calling.
     
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  4. spicoli00

    spicoli00 Pooh-Bah (2,305) Jul 6, 2005 Indiana
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    This is bat country

    And I will grossly stereotype: journalists are idiots
     
  5. devlishdamsel

    devlishdamsel Initiate (0) Aug 1, 2009 Washington

    Does this mean they are going to start brewing beer with Brawndo instead of water? and that hops will go extinct :wink:?
     
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  6. regularjohn

    regularjohn Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2013 New Jersey


    i was right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo, and somebody was giving booze to these god damn things!
     
  7. Seanibus

    Seanibus Pooh-Bah (1,982) Dec 6, 2004 California
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    I work at a newspaper too and have just convinced the editors to let me pick up beer as a beat, but it's only working because I am a beer geek. Previously the topic bounced around among writers, to the extent it was covered at all. I'm delighted to have this as a beat, but there aren't enough bodies left in the news room to let me do it full time, so I wind up doing a lot of non-beer stuff too. But still, I get paid to write about beer, at least occasionally, and therefore life is good.[/quote]
     
  8. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    Why is "beer journalism" so bad?


    FTFY

    edit: just kidding you guys--I work in advertising, so I get the same type of shit talk :wink:
     
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  9. yemenmocha

    yemenmocha Grand Pooh-Bah (4,116) Jun 18, 2002 Arizona
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    Electrolytes will be added of course.
     
  10. herrburgess

    herrburgess Grand Pooh-Bah (3,077) Nov 4, 2009 South Carolina
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    Aren't good journalists supposed to, you know, travel the world to find the great stories? Anyone doing that type of thing anymore?
     
  11. kurt25

    kurt25 Initiate (0) Mar 16, 2009 Illinois

    Journalism and blogging are not mutually exclusive. A journalist may blog, but a blogger may not be a journalist who goes out, collects information and presents an analytical report of any topic, from city councils to craft beer. Opinion is not reporting. I agree with what PenningtonNY10 said. Unless there is a niche market being sought by a publication like "Beer Advocate" you are likely running up against writers with limited knowledge who report for a wide audience, someone who has some knowledge reporting for a wide audience, or someone with a greater (but in some areas limited) knowledge for a smaller but more informed audience. The Chicago Tribune has done a good job of reporting on the growing pains of the craft beer industry in the City of Big Shoulders.
     
  12. readyski

    readyski Pooh-Bah (1,557) Jun 4, 2005 California
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    Seems to me the act of journalism has evolved (like our beer) and >this< is the cutting edge
     
  13. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Check out Brandon Hernandez. He has a heavy focus on the San Diego beer scene, but he's a damn good and honest writer/person.
     
  14. pitweasel

    pitweasel Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2007 New York

    College - the first time around - was just shy of a decade ago for me. And it may not come as much of a shock that I was a communications major. One of my main professors, who was also the faculty advisor for the paper there, would let me read some of the papers that my classmates were turning in (with names covered). I was appalled. "Sentences" like the one directly above this post were rampant. In college. Where people are supposed to have at least a fundamental grasp on things like capitalization, punctuation, and spelling some of the most common names in American culture.

    But thanks to instant messages, texting, Twitter (which really forces you to take grammar-smashing shortcuts if you want to use the site), more and more people seem to be either losing, or never learning, the ability to write with even a basic command of the English language. At least, I believe those examples are largely to blame for this.

    Anyway, my point is that this decline seems to not only be in how things are being written, but the quality of the content of that writing. What makes me worry is that those people whose papers made me cringe were still walking away with degrees. Were their grades as high as others'? No. But as the old saying goes: "What do you call the person who graduates last in their class from medical school? 'Doctor.'" People are being shuffled off with college degrees that imply they know what they're doing, when that assessment is a bit of a stretch.

    Oh, and Careliada: don't give up on wanting a career in journalism. It'll be extremely hard to come by, and you'll never make enough money to afford a nice house in a good part of town. But I put in 14 months at a chain of nearly a dozen weekly papers + a Monday-Saturday edition, and it was some of the most rewarding work of my life. If you feel a calling towards that field, don't ignore it. Just be ready to struggle and fight to keep your employment status active.
     
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  15. VictorWisc

    VictorWisc Maven (1,379) Jan 2, 2013 Massachusetts

    The worst offense a journalist essentially cribbing a press release to cobble together an article. Worse, if the press release comes with obvious biases and self-promotion by one side in a multifaceted environment. Unfortunately, this has become par for the course and, in beer journalism, it is one of the most common offenses.
     
  16. Flibber

    Flibber Initiate (0) Jul 27, 2013 England

    Trouble is, very few people know that much about beer. Including those who love it.
     
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  17. MattTastrophee

    MattTastrophee Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2014 Vermont

    We just got the talking points for Miller Fortune at our store. The whole thing is about how it will appeal to "millennials," and how 81% of 21-27 year olds said they'd buy it. I imagine journalists get this garbage and go "Really, Miller? Okay, whatever you say." I'd bet most articles like these are pretty much blind rehashing of the talking points.
     
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  18. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    The worst in my view is sloppy writing by professional beer writers.Many of them (including highly regarded individuals in the brewing world) don't take the trouble to check facts or original documents but choose the easy option of recycling what's already been written.The absolute drivel about IPA or Scottish brewing which you see on the net is endlessly repeated.Just look at the corrections list for the Oxford Companion.
    An example from people who ought to know better;

    http://zythophile.wordpress.com/201...ill-getting-beer-history-so-very-badly-wrong/
     
  19. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    forget "beer" journalism, per se...

    People in this era can't even put a sentence together. They can't even write!

    The entire spellcheck generation has now caught up to us in full force, and it's in everything I read.

    Newspapers are letting go of all their editorial and copy checkers. I read things now compared to twenty years ago and it stuns me how bad it is, even a grammatical error in a headline.. a HEADLINE!

    I could use a copy editor myself sometimes, that's why it blows my mind how people who actually write and work at publishing organizations publish such horrid writing.
     
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  20. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I'm with you. I was trained to write and learned to enjoy being able to coherently argue on paper. It was an organizing locus. "Acronyms and Emoticons" would be a good title to a snide piece on modern writing.
     
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